Question for instructors

[P-229]

Muss,

It violates a cardinal rule of training: realism.

We have no control over our autonomic nervous systems (regulates involuntary systems; e.g., heart rate, adrenaline), our bodies' reactions to life-threatening events. Hence, trainers teach muscle memory.

There is no value to teaching an unrealistic event.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Muss,

It violates a cardinal rule of training: realism.

We have no control over our autonomic nervous systems (regulates involuntary systems; e.g., heart rate, adrenaline), our bodies' reactions to life-threatening events. Hence, trainers teach muscle memory.

There is no value to teaching an unrealistic event.

Duly noted . . .

 

[P-229]

Muss,

Were a bad guy fixin' to make your body evidence of murder, would you want your muscle memory to recall putting a Glock together?

 

[Muss Muggins]

Muss,

Were a bad guy fixin' to make your body evidence of murder, would you want your muscle memory to recall putting a Glock together?

Duly noted . . .

 

[grcoffman104]

...if you were attacked on the range some day, while cleaning your pistol??

Your extractor is designed to 'hinge' very little, to accommodate the width of the round's extractor groove, as the round slides up the breech face. The radius of the rim gradually pushes the extractor out, as the round slips up the breech face to align with the chamber.

Plunking a round into the chamber and releasing the slide forces the extractor face to cam (under mostly frontal pressure) further outboard, to get around the entire width of the round's case rim, all the while putting a stress on the front of the extractor that is about perfectly aligned, to snap off the extractor claw.

You might get away with it a time or twenty, or it might damage the extractor straight away.

Surprised the 'instructor' didn't mention that...

I told my troops for decades you can drop one in pipe slide release on Beretta and colt.
Glock and Smith will bust crack ding extracters. So don't do it in ANYTHING!

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[Steve912]

I hope this sounds as stupid to you in retrospect as it did to me when you posted it!

OP took the best option for getting off a shot at the BG, successfully I might add

1. It was a 'drill'. There was no "BG".

2. OP asked "Why not?". I answered.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Using fine motor skills under pressure . . .

Sounds like the right answer.

Since it was a CCW license class, I'm thinking the motivation might have been for the instructor to plant the seed (after they failed) that they might need more of his instruction beyond the CCW class. $$

 

[Muss Muggins]

Sounds like the right answer.

Since it was a CCW license class, I'm thinking the motivation might have been for the instructor to plant the seed (after they failed) that they might need more of his instruction beyond the CCW class. $$

Probably so. The drill I am aware of was presented to very serious practitioners as a tension relieving game at the end of the day. Loser paid the after training tab . . .

 

[DevilDog72]

Draw spare mag load gun fire at target..... stupid drill.

 

[Arik]

Classes to teach you to rub away? You mean like getting a personal trainer?

The point of these classes is the assumption that you can't run away. Let's say it's assumed that you've exhausted all other options and now it's time to fight. Whatever the reason is you can't run away or avoid this specific issue. Maybe you work there and have no way out.... whatever.

Muss's example is probably not for beginners and I've never seen it but it makes sense to teach fine motor skills under pressure. This is where people forget to chamber a round or take the safety off or fumble with a mag change.

You always talk about avoidance but that's not always possible(we went over this not long ago) people are free to go wherever they want, sooner or later it will wind up on your doorstep, a cmort666 pointed out in that other thread. Remember? A rich family in a wealthy area ended up dead simply because a bad guy saw them. He was in their area because he can be. I used a personal experience as an example too. I live in a wealthy area and we still had a murder last month, the 1st in 27 years. Why? Because one neighbor got involved with a girl who had another boyfriend who wasn't such a good guy. At the time of the murder I was half a street away walking my dog. I heard the shot but didn't think anything of it since it was a few days after July 4th. I figured it was someone letting off the remainder of their fireworks. Had I walked out of my house 30 seconds earlier I would have been there at the time it happened. It's something I couldn't have avoided

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