bobt
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I'll be listing a couple of items in the classifieds shortly and need to know what the FTF requirements are (besides a FOID) in Illinois, any help is appreciated!
Thanks gang!
Thanks gang!
Question on FTF sale in IL
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the few face to face deals I have done, we exchange DL info and
we do speak extensively before the meet. I felt comfortable with all the sales FTF.
keep a record of who you sold it too with DL information and other contact information.
we do speak extensively before the meet. I felt comfortable with all the sales FTF.
keep a record of who you sold it too with DL information and other contact information.
Bobt -
Here is the law in Illinois.
You can also visit the Illinois State Police website at www.isp.state.il.us. Right hand column under Firearms for their full brochure.
ISP issues FOID's and enforces the violations.
Many disregard the waiting period part, but if your firearm is improperly used or carried by the new owner within the mandated 3 day waiting period, you can also expect an ISP visit.
Failure to comply with the waiting period is like "dancing with the Devil" in Illinois.
Here is the law in Illinois.
You can also visit the Illinois State Police website at www.isp.state.il.us. Right hand column under Firearms for their full brochure.
ISP issues FOID's and enforces the violations.
Many disregard the waiting period part, but if your firearm is improperly used or carried by the new owner within the mandated 3 day waiting period, you can also expect an ISP visit.
Failure to comply with the waiting period is like "dancing with the Devil" in Illinois.
Bobt
The accepted procedure is you meet with the buyer. He pays you (or partial payment), you issue him a dated receipt, signed by him and you with each persons FOID info on it.
The clock starts here. He wait exactly three days (yes, right to the hour) and returns to pick it up then. You note on both copies of the receipt the date and time the pick-up was done and both initial the pick-up information.
You are now in compliance with the law.
The "spirit" of the law was intended to restrict someone from rushing out after a heated argument (for instance), buying a gun then shooting the person they had been arguing with (or the newly discovered wifes boyfriend)
. It was intended to allow someone to "cool off" and begin rationally thinking again.
As SG-688 said, there are many instances on record where a seemingly "safe " sale was made and then a horrific event took place shortly after.
The money order does you no good since you have not documented the original purchase with the FOID info and signatures and therefore the waiting period cannot begin.
Over a forum or mailed money order situation and without meeting the buyer, you have no idea who the buyer is or who is actually picking it up. May not be the same person and that constitutes a "straw purchase" (one person buying a firearm for another that may not meet the ownership requirements i.e. no FOID, convicted Felon, etc).
Perfect example is you buy a gun from an out of sate dealer. It is then shipped to your in state dealer for transfer. When it arrives, you meet your in state dealer, complete the paperwork and WAIT 3 DAYS, even though you paid the out of state dealer up front probably over a week or so ago before shipping. Same rules apply on the waiting period issue with a dealer sale or private sales.
Better for you to be in compliance...and now you know how.
The accepted procedure is you meet with the buyer. He pays you (or partial payment), you issue him a dated receipt, signed by him and you with each persons FOID info on it.
The clock starts here. He wait exactly three days (yes, right to the hour) and returns to pick it up then. You note on both copies of the receipt the date and time the pick-up was done and both initial the pick-up information.
You are now in compliance with the law.
The "spirit" of the law was intended to restrict someone from rushing out after a heated argument (for instance), buying a gun then shooting the person they had been arguing with (or the newly discovered wifes boyfriend)
As SG-688 said, there are many instances on record where a seemingly "safe " sale was made and then a horrific event took place shortly after.
The money order does you no good since you have not documented the original purchase with the FOID info and signatures and therefore the waiting period cannot begin.
Over a forum or mailed money order situation and without meeting the buyer, you have no idea who the buyer is or who is actually picking it up. May not be the same person and that constitutes a "straw purchase" (one person buying a firearm for another that may not meet the ownership requirements i.e. no FOID, convicted Felon, etc).
Perfect example is you buy a gun from an out of sate dealer. It is then shipped to your in state dealer for transfer. When it arrives, you meet your in state dealer, complete the paperwork and WAIT 3 DAYS, even though you paid the out of state dealer up front probably over a week or so ago before shipping. Same rules apply on the waiting period issue with a dealer sale or private sales.
Better for you to be in compliance...and now you know how.
Just an addendum to IL transfers:
Both the State Police and the Chicago Police have "gun enforcement" units. And they are both merciless when a violation is uncovered. This is in line with IL being a gun unfriendly state-a gross understatement.
Make sure that you get a copy of the buyers FOID card, and that it is actually the buyer's FOID card. Then KEEP THE COPY! I plan on keeping the ones I made forever. Even as a long time LEO I can expect no mercy from the "gun units". The CPD unit is kept busy checking out the guns owned by CPD officers(they cannot own any "assault weapons" and they must re-register all sporting guns(non CPD duty weapons) each year for $60.
Do NOT skimp on any of the requirements. It is very unlikely that you would be apprehended for violating one of the requirements, but you must remember that almost all gun violations in Il are felonies, therefore your right to own a gun will be gone forever if you are convicted, even if you only pay a fine or get probation. Evem if you are convicted of only the one misdemeanor gun violation, you will lose your FOID card, and thus your right to own firearms in IL.
Both the State Police and the Chicago Police have "gun enforcement" units. And they are both merciless when a violation is uncovered. This is in line with IL being a gun unfriendly state-a gross understatement.
Make sure that you get a copy of the buyers FOID card, and that it is actually the buyer's FOID card. Then KEEP THE COPY! I plan on keeping the ones I made forever. Even as a long time LEO I can expect no mercy from the "gun units". The CPD unit is kept busy checking out the guns owned by CPD officers(they cannot own any "assault weapons" and they must re-register all sporting guns(non CPD duty weapons) each year for $60.
Do NOT skimp on any of the requirements. It is very unlikely that you would be apprehended for violating one of the requirements, but you must remember that almost all gun violations in Il are felonies, therefore your right to own a gun will be gone forever if you are convicted, even if you only pay a fine or get probation. Evem if you are convicted of only the one misdemeanor gun violation, you will lose your FOID card, and thus your right to own firearms in IL.
Spotteddog
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FWIW,
I have dated and initialed receipts for folks going back so far from Illinois, that they're on parchment! And that's after not having lived there for 8 years! The wise gents are tellin' ya' true. DON'T screw up ONE thing!
I have dated and initialed receipts for folks going back so far from Illinois, that they're on parchment! And that's after not having lived there for 8 years! The wise gents are tellin' ya' true. DON'T screw up ONE thing!
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