Would it be normal for a revolver advertised as NIB to have a turn ring all the way around the cylinder? Do they come from the factory that way or would "never been fired since leaving the factory" be a better description?
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I would say not. Just because its never been fired doesnt mean the owner can dry fire it a million times and finger bang the hell out of it and still call it NIB. NBF is a more accurate description but if it has a full and clear turn ring he can call what he wants, most however will call it a used gun
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I'd look for other sign, like wear on the hammer and trigger, residue above the forcing cone, etc.
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Unfortunately it happens even with some unfired revolvers.
Over the course of time , with folks handling and fondling the revolver, and of course cocking it back, a turn ring can develop with not so many cockings.
If its pretty faint I dont worry about it. If if it gouged into the cylinder it might be time to keep looking or start negotiating price some.
It depends on your use really. If you are going to shoot it more then its probably not a deal killer. For a one of kind to fill a collection or display then maybe not.
Over the course of time , with folks handling and fondling the revolver, and of course cocking it back, a turn ring can develop with not so many cockings.
If its pretty faint I dont worry about it. If if it gouged into the cylinder it might be time to keep looking or start negotiating price some.
It depends on your use really. If you are going to shoot it more then its probably not a deal killer. For a one of kind to fill a collection or display then maybe not.
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EVERY gun, even refinished ones, gets fires 6 times, or 5, or 7, before leaving S&W.
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And even cocked many times as they check the action.
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I would say a faint turn ring is probably normal. At what point the turn ring gets pronounced enough to negate the NIB designation is no doubt the subject for debate.
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The gun may be NIB, however it WAS fired at the Factory and reasonably sure that somewhere along the line it was cocked and played with. If the cylinder stop has the least amount of burr on it, the turn line will be more prevalent in a shorter amount of time. Turn lines and S&W's go hand in hand - just the nature of the beast.
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It is always unclear to me why people worry about this. The absence of a turn ring is really more of a problem, since the presence of the ring is proof the action is working properly. From no less a person than D.B. Wesson himself, who ought to know:
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If the seller doesn't have an FFL and he owns the gun it's a used gun, not NIB. If it's just likr it left the factory with all the stuff it's "As New In Box" pr mint. NIB provides a warranty of some kind to the original purchaser.
Some think a gun is like a car but there is no title... and new in box can be owned by someone and maintained new in box in my opinion. Had and have a few... turn rings are evidence that the gun is timed and working properly - not the only evidence but one of the things to check. The turn ring is here to stay and altering the gun to eliminate can cause the gun to malfunction. Dont stress over something like this or just buy an auto?
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I agree about not stressing but some manufacturers want to see a sales receipt to prove you're the original owner, HK for example. S&W seems to be a little looser. The fact remains that legally if it has been sold previously at retail it is not NIB. That's why FFL holders have to mark "New" or "Used" on the tags. It's also why the manuals that come with most guns contain the words "...to the original owner" for warranty or service policies. If they need to insist, they can.
I bought this Ruger PP90DW marked "Used, ANIB" and the FFL holder gave me the above explanation when I asked. The pistol was an excess purchase by a local department and had it on consignment. I have no doubt that Ruger would have treated me as the original owner (they don't have a warranty). but I never had to find out. The pistol ran on anything I fed it.
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