Question regarding gun paperwork
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Moonman
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The form you fill out (4477???) lasts forever.
The FFL where you filled it out has it on file and in his book.
If the FFL goes out of business, the BATF receives their paperwork and it goes to a warehouse supposedly.
So I was told.
The FFL where you filled it out has it on file and in his book.
If the FFL goes out of business, the BATF receives their paperwork and it goes to a warehouse supposedly.
So I was told.
starman041
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First reply got it right. I was had a FFL many years ago. When I shut down the business, I sent my records to the Batf as required by law.
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Incorrect.
An FFL is required to keep 4473s for "at least 20 years".
It states that on the 4473 below the block the dealer prints his name in. See pic below.
The bound book must be kept forever, and sent to ATF along with 4473s that are under 20 years old when business is discontinued.
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The subject was just highlighted in a local newspaper article.
It was as a result of the trace effort on the S&W revolver carried by the gunman in the Christmas Eve shooting of the Volunteer Fire Fighters in W.Webster NY.
A S&W Mod10 was recovered from the shooter.
Two rounds had been fired from the total of 6 in the cylinder.
One was used by him to commit suicide on the Lake Ontario beach that AM.
The other fired round is speculation, but perhaps used to kill his sister from whom the revolver was then taken.
Her body then left to burn in the house fire he started to draw the F/D to the scene. The remains have still not been positively ID'd.
She was said to carry a '38' in fear of the suspect,,she had no NYS P/P.
The revolver was originally shipped to an FFL/ Gunshop in Tenn IIRC around 1970.
That shop no longer in business, their records should have been sent to the place in a VA where all good FFL records go to retire.
This particular FFL did not send it's FFL record book or any 4473's as required to the facility. As a result, the BATFE says they have no record of who bought the revolver. At this point ,,end of trace.
Nothing about what if anything would be done to the former FFL if still around for violating the GCA in not sending the records in.
The article did go on to say that the facility is a mere warehouse of stacks and shelves of paperwork.
Some of the records have been put on Microfiche,,but most remain in their original form.
No computerization of the records is allowed by law as it would be considered a National registry of firearms and owners.
Kind of sounds like it is already to me if they wanted to make it such. The raw info is there.
The article kind of hinted that perhaps we need such an update to the records to be 'keep the public safe'.
At least that's the idea I got from it. The article itself could have been a 3 line sidebar. There is no trace. But instead they turned it into a plea for more regulation
It was as a result of the trace effort on the S&W revolver carried by the gunman in the Christmas Eve shooting of the Volunteer Fire Fighters in W.Webster NY.
A S&W Mod10 was recovered from the shooter.
Two rounds had been fired from the total of 6 in the cylinder.
One was used by him to commit suicide on the Lake Ontario beach that AM.
The other fired round is speculation, but perhaps used to kill his sister from whom the revolver was then taken.
Her body then left to burn in the house fire he started to draw the F/D to the scene. The remains have still not been positively ID'd.
She was said to carry a '38' in fear of the suspect,,she had no NYS P/P.
The revolver was originally shipped to an FFL/ Gunshop in Tenn IIRC around 1970.
That shop no longer in business, their records should have been sent to the place in a VA where all good FFL records go to retire.
This particular FFL did not send it's FFL record book or any 4473's as required to the facility. As a result, the BATFE says they have no record of who bought the revolver. At this point ,,end of trace.
Nothing about what if anything would be done to the former FFL if still around for violating the GCA in not sending the records in.
The article did go on to say that the facility is a mere warehouse of stacks and shelves of paperwork.
Some of the records have been put on Microfiche,,but most remain in their original form.
No computerization of the records is allowed by law as it would be considered a National registry of firearms and owners.
Kind of sounds like it is already to me if they wanted to make it such. The raw info is there.
The article kind of hinted that perhaps we need such an update to the records to be 'keep the public safe'.
At least that's the idea I got from it. The article itself could have been a 3 line sidebar. There is no trace. But instead they turned it into a plea for more regulation
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