Question:VN scene in Forrest Gump

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I just noticed that Gump and all other solders have no slings on their M16's. Is that because they were movie props or was it a political correctness issue for the movie or were they actually removed in the field for noise management? Curious......
 
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There are a lot of mistakes in that movie. According to this, Gump was there in '68-'69, by which time the M16A1 would have been in service, yet according to the IMFDB, the rifles in the movie are earlier M16 rifles.

If the movie were to be correct, they should have been humping M16A1s with nylon "seat belt" slings by 1969.
 
I don't expect movies, especially fantasy films like "Forrest Gump" to be particularly realistic in the details. But as I recall during my time in Vietnam, '70-'71, we did not have slings at all. But that was a very long time ago and some details seem to fade away over time.
 
It could have been something as simple as the rifles came from the prop warehouse without slings and no one cared
 
Not to be disagreeable, for there is no doubt that a lot of guys removed slings for whatever reasons, but far too much photographic evidence exists showing combat troops with slings intact for blanket statements like "nobody used them" to be entirely correct.

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...and so on ad infinitum.
 
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I suspect there was a lot of local Standard Operating Procedure, or SOP, involved. If the squad leader, platoon sergeant, company commander, or whatever says take it off, you take it off.
 
Some of us used slings, some didn't. (2/502 Inf. 101st Inf. Div. '67-68)

It was the individual's choice. A common sling use was a web sling, used in the single point method where the sling was looped through the carrying handle and hung from the shoulder. This allowed both hands to be free getting through wait-a-minute bushes, yet the rifle could be brought up instantly into the firing position.

As to movies, the most realistic scene I've seen was in "Platoon" where after humping up a hill the newby collapse on his back resting on the ruck on a pile of fire ants. Been there, done that.
 
I suspect there was a lot of local Standard Operating Procedure, or SOP, involved. If the squad leader, platoon sergeant, company commander, or whatever says take it off, you take it off.

Yes, good point. Not that it's scientific or anything, but most of the photos I found of troops with slings absent are those of more specialized units- Marine Recon, SEALs, etc.
 
Good info on the slings may have just been my unit I didn't have much contact with other units we stayed in the field my entire tour. 1/321 & 1/501 14Dec67-14Dec68
 
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Depended on the unit. We took ours off before leaving the wire. Some guys would tie their sling on the front sight, the other end on the butt stock, right where it met the upper, use it like today's tactical slings.
 
In Army basic training and infantry AIT (1968) we trained on the M14 rifle, with a brief familiarization on the M16. Apparently the transition had not been completed by that time, or perhaps the new M16's were going out to combat units first before training outfits received deliveries.

Use of the rifle was heavily emphasized, with some very good instruction on some of the finer points. We learned how to use the "shooting sling" at prone, sitting, kneeling, and offhand positions, and I became a believer in that. I took the post rifle trophy during basic training with a perfect score (M14), qualified as expert with every infantry weapon from the pistol to the M2 .50BMG, and was later selected for the US Army Marksmanship Training Unit where I competed with both service rifle and pistol.

In Vietnam I learned to appreciate the M16 due to its lighter weight, and much lighter ammunition, which mean a lot to infantrymen in the field. I was never greatly impressed with the M16's accuracy, particularly at extended ranges, but found it to be generally serviceable (if properly maintained and lubricated correctly). I always used the sling for shooting, kept mine clearly marked at the point where it was properly adjusted for the "shooting sling" method.

Equipment noise in the field was dealt with using duct tape or electrical tape on everything that might jingle, jangle, or clink. Sling swivels, pack straps, LBE gear, everything was cinched down and taped up. It is just about impossible for a group of men to move through the bush without making any noise, but we limited it in every way we could.

To this day when I am firing a rifle, at the range or in the field, I continue to use the shooting sling. The added stability, with or without a rest, can make a big difference.
 
I just noticed that Gump and all other solders have no slings on their M16's. Is that because they were movie props or was it a political correctness issue for the movie or were they actually removed in the field for noise management? Curious......

Deferring to a fantasy film for any semblance of historical accuracy will yield minimal positive results.
 
Still waiting for an explanation of why the use of a sling would or would not be politically correct.
 
Never used a sling. was already carrying over 70#'s of ruck, gear and ammo. 4/31st, 196th LIB, 23rd Inf. Div. Americal, 70-71.

As an afterthought I should say that Colt was a deadly shooter! I carried it except when I took the
pig for two weeks. Made sure I got that same ser# Colt back. I'm here as living proof, I left the enemy
rotting and came back to the "World".
 
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This is one of them posts that jog the old memories.
I carried the 60 my whole tour, but I couldn't remember if the riflemen used slings or not.
I had to pull out the pictures,-- I can tell you that no one in my unit used slings. I'm sure as an earlier post said: Unit Regs, & CO's personal likes/dislikes would have been the rule.

P.S. In the pictures above something is wrong--It shows a guy with a 7th Infantry Div. Patch, I don't remember the 7th ever being in VN---Someone check me
 
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Not to be disagreeable, for there is no doubt that a lot of guys removed slings for whatever reasons, but far too much photographic evidence exists showing combat troops with slings intact for blanket statements like "nobody used them" to be entirely correct.

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http://www.history.com/images/media/slideshow/vietnam-war/soldiers-engaged-in-operation-byrd-vietnam.jpg[/IMg

[IMG]http://driwancybermuseum.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/vietwar-american-rifleman-vietnam-war-1973.jpg

Vietnam-War-244.jpg


VietnamWar+Vietcong.jpg


vietnam_war_33.jpg


d11_vietnam_war_soldiers_3.jpg


url.jpg


kl2380623cjpg-e9601fe3acf71c95.jpg


...and so on ad infinitum.

OK, 25 guys used them, however "nobody" in my outfit did. Great historical pics, thanks.
vinny
 
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