Randall Model 2 Thread

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I bought this yesterday. Sambar stag, tool steel, brass hilt, 8” blade, estimated early 1990s:



It’s the seller’s photo. I won’t take delivery until my return to the US in February.

Don’t really have a use for a Model 2, and already have both a stag-handled 1 and 3, but have been thinking about a 2 for a while. (Must be all those T-Star knife threads ‘bout “Whatcha gonna do that cougar sneaks up and puts the bite on you?!” A man’s gotta be prepared for the unexpected, right?)

I have read that this model was developed late in WWII, but do not know any other background, history, or lore. Any of you Randall collectors out there have some detail you could fill in?

Or, how about post pix of your own Model 2s? Would love to see them.

(T-Star: Thanks for the heads up! I am now prepared — or will be upon delivery — for any sneaking, back-biting feline!:))
 
Cougars? Wimpy. Real men stab Bengal Tigers. ;)

Seriously, a 200 pound male cougar in his prime that can swipe you so fast that you can not see his paw move has the potential to be a scratchy kitty. I get a fleeting glimpse of a cougar about every 5 years so I know they are in the area but no one around here is afraid of them. The belief is they strongly prefer venison over all other meat. There are more deer in the area than humans so it's said they eat well without munching on us. while you might not have needed King Tut's dagger the stag makes a great picture.
 
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Bengal tigers? Hmmm. Maybe. But here is T-Star’s Harry Wolhunter knife vs lion story from 1903: YouTube

Anyway, I’m ready!

(Then there are the guys that like to hunt feral pigs by dropping out of trees onto the pigs and knifing them to death. I’ve read about them. Hmm. Maybe after I get over my knee replacement op I’ll take that up... I do like me some bacon...)
 
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These are my model 2's
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Cougars? Wimpy. Real men stab Bengal Tigers. ;)

Seriously, a 200 pound male cougar in his prime that can swipe you so fast that you can not see his paw move has the potential to be a scratchy kitty. I get a fleeting glimpse of a cougar about every 5 years so I know they are in the area but no one around here is afraid of them. The belief is they strongly prefer venison over all other meat. There are more deer in the area than humans so it's said they eat well without munching on us. while you might not have needed King Tut's dagger the stag makes a great picture.

During WWII my dad was a crew chief/mechanic with the Flying Tigers after they joined up with the Air Corps. He was doing guard duty when two Gurkhas came up, babbling excitedly in Hindi. A buddy who spoke Hindi came by and did some translating: Seems three of them cornered a tiger and one of them was keeping it boxed in while these two went for help. They wanted him to come along and shoot it with his 1911. He declined and his buddy started laughing=seems they were muttering about what cowards GIs were! Heard the next day they killed it with their knives!

Read a study in grad school while researching my thesis on cougar taste preferences: #1 Horsemeat, #2 dogmeat, #3 venison & elk.
 
Very nice, Bob! Do you particularly like the shorter bladed #2 or do you collect multiple versions of the other Randall models as well?
 
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Bob, beautiful knives!

Does your book have any info on the genesis of the Model 2? E.g., for the 1, essentially, a sailor shows up on Bo’s doorstep early in WWII, and says he wants a fighting knife, something like a Bowie, but lighter..

Any origin stories like that for the 2 in your book?

BARgunner, I like the lanyard. I think lanyards are generally underrated, both for knives and pistols.
 
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I grabbed the wrong knife.this is the #23 gamemaster.the other is a #5
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Thanks.You had me puzzled. That knife in your first picture indeed looked like Model 5, of which I've owned two. One of my favorite Randalls.

The brass butt cap on the Model 5 makes the knife butt heavy. Mine both had nickle silver guards and one had a Duralumin cap and the other just had a black Micarta handle drilled for a wrist thong. It had a five-inch blade. The other had a double hilt (guard) and a sharpened clip, seven inch blade. It was essentially a Model 1, less the dip in the blade spine just before the guard, a feature that I don't like.

I've never liked Model 23, but see why you'd find it effective in the field.

I had a pal in the USAF who ordered one of the kits that Randall sold back then. It was to build a Model 1, eight-inch blade, black Micarta and a crow's beak butt cap, Duralumin. The guard was NS, made a little smaller than Randall does, smaller quillons. Sheath was the usual Model A.

That knife was completed in the base hobby shop, and the man was a craftsman! It looked AT LEAST as good as if it'd been finished in Orlando.

He wanted it partly as a combat knife, but was headed for Thailand where he thought he might have to stab a tiger. I think he might have managed. We know about Harry Wolhuter knifing a lion, and his knife, belt, and the lion's hide are still displayed in Kruger Natl. Park. You can see it on the Net. And I know of a man who knifed a big grizzly bear in the neck with a puny Buck Model 110 folder! It seemed to paralyze the bear and he crawled over and got his rifle to finish it. That knife, bear blood and all, was sent to Chuck Buck, then Buck's President. He kept it framed on his wall for years.

Tigers are awful things, more inclined to be ambush predators than are lions, who may charge from a distance. A knife is a slender hope against either, but we have known cases where a man with a sharp knife prevailed!

Jim Corbett was concerned that a man-eating leopard that he was pursuing might attack him in Stygian darkness, where he couldn't use his rifle. So he bought an Afridi/Khyber knife that the Crown was selling after it was evidence in a murder trial. He relied on that long knife for emergencies.

Randall's Model 2 is very like a design recommended as an emergency hunting knife by a British hunter in India in the 1880's. I think he actually described the Wilkinson dagger. But Model 2 is pretty close.
It also looks a LOT like the daggers found in King Tut's tomb, one made of gold. But the iron-bladed one has the same stepped blade like Model 2. Whichever Roman said there's nothing new under the sun must have seen that Egyptian dagger and seen that in the future, Randall would offer his Model 2!

Another Roman, Pliny the Elder, said, "There's always something new out of Africa." That wouldn't be Model 2. It'd more likely be knives in the Loveless style by Piet Grey and other modern South African knife makers.

Model 2 is a good pure fighting knife that'd also fare well in defense against dangerous animals.

And I think a Randall Model 2 was the knife that Red Grant had in Ian Fleming's, From Russia, With Love. Fleming said that it was an American knife, an excellent weapon. And Fleming had been sent a Randall!

He also owned a First Pattern Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, and I believe that Randall wanted him to see how he'd made a stronger dagger along those lines.
 
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Thanks, Bob. That makes sense. We ought to have a thread on the Fairbairn-Sykes. That’s quite a story, too.

Don’t own one myself, but would like to. Especially an original.
 
Cougars? Wimpy. Real men stab Bengal Tigers. ;)

I get a fleeting glimpse of a cougar about every 5 years so I know they are in the area.

Well, go down to the local pub during happy hour or the single ladies drink free or at half price night(s).
The place will be full of them. :D
 
T-Star, per a brief internet search, re Ian Fleming, James Bond, and Wilkinson daggers:



The dustjacket image is explained by Raymond Benson, author of a book entitled The James Bond Bedside Companion, as follows:

 
T-Star, per a brief internet search, re Ian Fleming, James Bond, and Wilkinson daggers:



The dustjacket image is explained by Raymond Benson, author of a book entitled The James Bond Bedside Companion, as follows:


I've seen that cover, but didn't realize that Richard Chopping was the artist. He also drew the modified S&W .38-200 owned by Geoffrey Boothroyd on the hardcover edition of, From Russia, With Love. I don't know if this Second Model F-S was Fleming's. He def. owned a First Model, the nickeled one with S-shaped guard. I've seen a photo of his very knife.

He had to borrow Boothroyd's gun and this caused some trouble when the cops came looking for all .38 owners after a murder and Boothroyd had to admit he'd loaned the gun to Chopping, who had no Firearms License. It got sorted out and the murderer was someone else, of course.

Boothroyd owned about 100 guns, all legal, despite the legal red tape then.

Fleming owned at least 4-5 handguns. One was a Colt Official Police given to him by Gen. Bill Donovan of the OSS. Several of his guns appeared in a ,Life magazine feature on him. I don't know if he later bought the Centennial with which he posed on some book jackets. Oddly, he owned neither gun he had Bond use, the Beretta .25 and the Walther PPK. He did have a Colt New Service with 5.5 inch bbl., and it may have been like the "long barreled Colt .45" that Bond kept under the dash of his Bentley.
 
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With further reference to Onomea's post, I didn't know that the, Daily Express or The Sunday Times, for which Fleming worked, had serialized Bond novels or that there was a comic strip.

I knew that Modesty Blaise ran as a comic as well as novels. And I read a couple of Bond books serialized or excerpted in, Playboy.

One was, The Man With the Golden Gun.

However, the post I made about a Wilkinson knife in 1880's British India was not, of course, a Fairbairn design, which didn't appear until 1940-1. It was a larger, longer knife with a checkered wood handle and no guard. I've forgotten the model name. It was meant for hunters who might need an emergency defense knife against dangerous game.
 
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