I'm a bit curious as to why this comment is directed at me? Exactly what was I supposed to be looking at?? I went back and no where in this thread did I type the word "assume" except in the post that you partially quoted where I said "I don't assume anything anymore". You act as if I was the shooter I this video or something. I simply posted it as a reminder for everyone to always be aware of who or what is downrange.
Range Is Not Clear!
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I'm a bit curious as to why this comment is directed at me? Exactly what was I supposed to be looking at?? I went back and no where in this thread did I type the word "assume" except in the post that you partially quoted where I said "I don't assume anything anymore". You act as if I was the shooter I this video or something. I simply posted it as a reminder for everyone to always be aware of who or what is downrange.
tomcatt51
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From an IPSC forum, the video didn't start at the beginning of the COF...
"the poor patcher has quite severe hearing problems, and before the video started recording (The COF had already started before the video started, as the shooter had his gun out and on the table for a tabletop start.) the RO had loudly asked "Range Clear?" and received no response from the patcher (because he couldn't hear the RO), so the RO believed the range to be clear and started the next shooter."
I would say it was more of a deduction or conclusion (based on the info given) then an assumption.
Not sure what your issue is. I'm not trying to start a pissing match with you but you obviously have an attitude for some reason.
I posted a video I came across to remind people this can be a dangerous sport if safety protocols aren't adhered to. I then did a little further research to try to find some more info about said video.
You state this was "an outlaw match" and he's not a registered RSO. So what were the safety procedures they had in place? Obviously the RO was at fault but, that really wasn't the point of any of my posts. Ultimately it's the shooter that would have to live with the end result. If you have some more concise information to add about the incident I'm sure we would all be interested to hear about it.
Feel free to leave me out of it though. I don't come here to argue with people.
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guidedfishing
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The RO failed, and frankly should be stripped of the title and job. If you want to come up with a 100 other excuses they will still be excuses.
I don't think anyone disputes that the RO was at fault. Nor did I or anyone else make any excuses for him. However, I also don't think that would be of any consolation to the shooter had he shot and killed someone.
Once again, my point in posting the video, and my subsequent comments, was to simply remind people to be safe out there. Just because someone else calls out "all clear" doesn't always make it so.
Batmo
Member
You can spread Blame and Responsibility around like butter....everyone shooting in that squad should be looking down range and call a Cease Fire if they see a Safety Issue of any kind.
Be aware and Be Safe...accidents don't happen...somewhere somebody screwed up !
Be aware and Be Safe...accidents don't happen...somewhere somebody screwed up !
Exactly. EVERYONE needs to keep their eyes open and be aware. Pretty much every time someone gets hurt in this sport it's because somebody broke one of the golden rules or safety procedures weren't adhered to.
Leatherman-Cowboy
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In all my years of shooting-matches-etc...I have NEVER seen any video like this. I am lost for words...that man is so lucky all he walked away with was some brown pants...I shoot SASS, and we have 1 RO + 3 spotters/brass collectors for EACH shooters stage.
Thank you,
Henry
Thank you,
Henry
fredj338
Member
He wasn't even aware! The only way to prevent this is for the RO/SO to be last man down range. The doof pasting the target wouldn't have heard a range is hot command. The SO messed up, but it's up to every shooter to be vigilant. If you are down range to tape, do only that & get back. Don't stop for brass, don't tie your shoe, Clear the ******* range.
fredj338
Member
Yes & no. If there is a complicated stage, lots of props, the shooters need to have awareness of where they are & what is going on. In diff stages, the so needs to walk the entire stage to see all of it before heading uprange. Still, It's easy to lose a small statutes shooter behind a prop. Do what you need to do & clear the range. Don't make the SO job harder than it already is. I almost feel it should be mandatory to use elec hearing for all shooters. Range commands aren't helpful if the shooter can't hear.
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