Range Report & M&P 15-22 "Apples & Oranges Comparison" to my Dedicated .22lr setup

[pluke the 2]

Range Report & M&P 15-22 "Apples & Oranges Comparison" to my Dedicated .22lr setup

(2) .22's.

M&P 15-22 (Top), Dedicated .22 (Bottom)

M&P has a 3-9 Nikon Scope.

Dedicated has a Bushnell Red Dot+ 3x Magnifer



Ammo used:

From left to right. SK Ammo, Lightning, Federal, Blazer.

M&P 15-22:

NO FTF/FIRE

Dedicated:

(5) Magazines.
50 Rounds

SK ammo, 10 rounds, 1 FTFire, 1 FTFeed
Lightning, 10 rounds, no issues.
Federal, 10 rounds, no issues.
Blazer, 10 rounds, 1 FTFire.

M&P 15-22



Dedicated:



Note: that there are some flyers here and there because I had to site in both 22's.

So overall, if you can see from the pictures, the M&P 22 is less accurate but a lot more reliable.

The dedicated is more accurate and less reliable.

Anyone think I should switch the optics on the 22s? So, the M&P has the red dot / magnifer and the dedicated has the 3-9 Nikon?

Thanks for viewing!

 

[Lorelei]

Swap the optics and redo the comparison. Please post the results.

 

[yzf128r]

At what distance were you shooting? Standing or bench rest? I would bet that if you switch optics you will see different results. I would think that whatever rifle has the 3-9 on it will show better accuracy.

 

[pluke the 2]

I was shooting at 25 yard line. Bench Rest.

I would think that whatever rifle has the 3-9 on it will show better accuracy.

The above test configuration, the M&P 15-22 had the 3-9 scope and it did not perform better. Hopefully i'll swap out the optics and see the difference.

 

[Majorlk]

I'm not sure what the comparison is supposed to mean. The 15-22 is a 3 MOA plinker, no matter how you look at it and the conversions (what you are calling a dedicated .22) vary all over the place from 2 MOA to 5 MOA, depending upon the particular upper. That one is marginally better than the other really means nothing in the real world of shooting.

For a comparison like this to have any more than curiosity value, it needs to be done in a machine rest with identical FCGs to eliminate that variable.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

The 15-22 is a 3 MOA plinker, no matter how you look at it and the conversions (what you are calling a dedicated .22) vary all over the place from 2 MOA to 5 MOA, depending upon the particular upper. .

Curious, but how can you tell that is a conversion and not a dedicated .22 upper? Is it the barrel?

 

[pluke the 2]

I'm not sure what the comparison is supposed to mean. The 15-22 is a 3 MOA plinker, no matter how you look at it and the conversions (what you are calling a dedicated .22) vary all over the place from 2 MOA to 5 MOA, depending upon the particular upper. That one is marginally better than the other really means nothing in the real world of shooting.

For a comparison like this to have any more than curiosity value, it needs to be done in a machine rest with identical FCGs to eliminate that variable.

my comparison between the two 22's. i understand it's not a real comparison but i was happy with the results. i'm excited to get more comfortable and try better ammo with the m&p to get some experience under my belt. i'd like to see the so called "3 MOA Plinker"

 

[pluke the 2]

it's not a converted .22 it's a dedicated upper... so i'm not shooting out of an ar-15 1/7" twist barrel but rather a 1/16" twist dedicated for .22lr

 

[Majorlk]

Curious, but how can you tell that is a conversion and not a dedicated .22 upper? Is it the barrel?

Poor choice of words ... to me a .22 upper on an AR15 lower IS a conversion.

 

[Majorlk]

my comparison between the two 22's. i understand it's not a real comparison but i was happy with the results. i'm excited to get more comfortable and try better ammo with the m&p to get some experience under my belt. i'd like to see the so called "3 MOA Plinker"

The typical 15-22 is a 3 MOA gun. Mine does it all the time, as do most of the 15-22s I see at my range. With match ammo, I see sub-3 MOA on a regular basis.

 

[pluke the 2]

The typical 15-22 is a 3 MOA gun. Mine does it all the time, as do most of the 15-22s I see at my range. With match ammo, I see sub-3 MOA on a regular basis.

what is typical moa for the 15-22 using bulk packs or the above ammo i used? and what yard line is 3 MOA at?

 

[Guy A]

This is an example of "apples to oranges" comparison, especially since the guns have such different optics. (Still interesting, though!)

 

[RedNeck Jim]

The typical 15-22 is a 3 MOA gun. Mine does it all the time, as do most of the 15-22s I see at my range. With match ammo, I see sub-3 MOA on a regular basis.

So at 25 yards, 3 MOA would be a 3/4" group... correct? So what grouping did the OP shoot? Looks much greater than 3/4".

 

[pluke the 2]

there is no way in hell this gun is going to shoot 3/4" group at 25 yards... i know i'm a bad shot but damn, this is with a sled all i had to do is pull the trigger..

which leads me to think something is wrong on all fronts

 

[pluke the 2]

This is an example of "apples to oranges" comparison, especially since the guns have such different optics. (Still interesting, though!)

apples to oranges thx!

 

[pluke the 2]

here is something i forgot to mention.

Wind Speed / Gusts: W at 14 mph

how big of a difference does this make at 25yards?

 

[Majorlk]

what is typical moa for the 15-22 using bulk packs or the above ammo i used? and what yard line is 3 MOA at?

I routinely get 3 MOA with Federal Champion.

Do you understand the concept of MOA? It means Minute of Angle and is independent of distance. The standard definition for 1 MOA is 1.0 inches of dispersion at 100 yards, Therefore 3 MOA at 100 yards is 3.0 inches. At 50 yards it is 1.5 inches. At 200 yards it is 6 inches.

 

[Majorlk]

So at 25 yards, 3 MOA would be a 3/4" group... correct? So what grouping did the OP shoot? Looks much greater than 3/4".

That is correct.

 

[pluke the 2]

lol my best group was 5 inches roughly with the m&p 15-22 @ 25 yards. interesting. well i'll have to hit the range again and try federal champion.

 

[Majorlk]

there is no way in hell this gun is going to shoot 3/4" group at 25 yards... i know i'm a bad shot but damn, this is with a sled all i had to do is pull the trigger..

which leads me to think something is wrong on all fronts

Then, my friend, you are a lousy shot!

That said, if you can't get 3/4" groups at 25 yards from a 15-22 in a Lead Sled, then something is either badly wrong with your sled, your rifle or both. I do it with mine all the time without a sled. And I am far from being alone.