OP
I bet that took care of the primary business at hand
Really sad
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I bet that took care of the primary business at hand
AJ
US Veteran
I was talking with some friends at a local PD when I was stationed in Orange County, Ca. While walking through the locker room, I noticed holes in locker doors, the walls and ceiling. Around each holes was a circle with a date and initials. I asked about them. Was told those were AD's that officer had in the locker room and their initials and dates were there as reminders.
kbm6893
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Yeah. A decades long professional gunfighter and professional shooter violated two rules. You think you can’t? Oh, that’s right. You did. 40 years ago. I did as well. 30 years ago. Doesn’t mean I never will again.
And I’m against suing gun makers as well. None of my comments were directed at doing that.
kbm6893
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Yeah. A decades long professional gunfighter and professional shooter violated two rules. You think you can’t? Oh, that’s right. You did. 40 years ago. I did as well. 30 years ago. Doesn’t mean I never will again.
And I’m against suing gun makers as well. None of my comments were directed at doing that.
OP
No I did not violate 2 rules like Jordan did, because while I had a negligent discharge, I was fully aware of where the gun was pointed and that no one was around in that direction, when I pulled the trigger. I failed to properly clear the gun, I DIDN'T fail to point it in a safe direction.
But, I do believe I could accidentally kill someone with a gun. Believing that makes me more diligent not less. Once you believe you are infallible your more apt to fail. I must believe in the possibility of failure. That is why I never assume a gun is empty, why I never point them at anyone and keep my finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
Bill Jordan's failure, my failure and your own is not an excuse for a negligent discharge and certainly not one that kills someone.
IF you read the article you would find something far worse than Jordan's negligent homicide (that is what it was). Jordan's mistake was assuming the gun was empty and not being aware of his back ground. If I crank off a round and it strikes someone I would also be guilty of negligent homicide. In the majority of the cases cited , the person assumed their action emptied the gun, but then in all the cases obvious pointed the gun in unsafe directions and in many cases
THEY PURPOSELY AIMED IT AT SOMEONE AND PULLED THE TRIGGER
That the mortal sin of gun handling and there is absolutely no excuse for that.
But, I do believe I could accidentally kill someone with a gun. Believing that makes me more diligent not less. Once you believe you are infallible your more apt to fail. I must believe in the possibility of failure. That is why I never assume a gun is empty, why I never point them at anyone and keep my finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
Bill Jordan's failure, my failure and your own is not an excuse for a negligent discharge and certainly not one that kills someone.
IF you read the article you would find something far worse than Jordan's negligent homicide (that is what it was). Jordan's mistake was assuming the gun was empty and not being aware of his back ground. If I crank off a round and it strikes someone I would also be guilty of negligent homicide. In the majority of the cases cited , the person assumed their action emptied the gun, but then in all the cases obvious pointed the gun in unsafe directions and in many cases
THEY PURPOSELY AIMED IT AT SOMEONE AND PULLED THE TRIGGER
That the mortal sin of gun handling and there is absolutely no excuse for that.
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smithman 10
US Veteran
Accidental discharges
In the firearm safety class my business partner and I taught, I always asked the students to raise their hands if they had ever had an unintentional discharge. Usually a few would sheepishly raise their hands.
But we two instructors had to raise our hands as well. As life long shooters, military veterans, graduates of several NRA courses and other training, etc. we still had committed a boo-boo. No one ever hurt by these mistakes, thank God.
I used to tell the students if they dealt with firearms long enough, they too might well have an accidental, negligent, call it what you will discharge and I would sometimes, partly in jest, quip, that in my experience, there were two classes of gun owners: those who had had an accidental discharge and those who would eventually have one.
Just to try to drive home the safety rules. Treat gun as always loaded, pointed in a safe direction, finger off the trigger, awareness of the target and what is beyond.
We closed our business with the arrival of Covid and I am too old to start back up. My business partner has passed on. I can only hope we did some good in the five years we operated.
When I drop in at the local gun shops in the area to chew the fat and see what's new, I frequently end up shaking my head at the folks both at the counter and behind it.
As steelslayer said. Man checks the gun for clear and hands it you. Then YOU check it for clear as well. And don't point it at the dealer while you examine it!
In the firearm safety class my business partner and I taught, I always asked the students to raise their hands if they had ever had an unintentional discharge. Usually a few would sheepishly raise their hands.
But we two instructors had to raise our hands as well. As life long shooters, military veterans, graduates of several NRA courses and other training, etc. we still had committed a boo-boo. No one ever hurt by these mistakes, thank God.
I used to tell the students if they dealt with firearms long enough, they too might well have an accidental, negligent, call it what you will discharge and I would sometimes, partly in jest, quip, that in my experience, there were two classes of gun owners: those who had had an accidental discharge and those who would eventually have one.
Just to try to drive home the safety rules. Treat gun as always loaded, pointed in a safe direction, finger off the trigger, awareness of the target and what is beyond.
We closed our business with the arrival of Covid and I am too old to start back up. My business partner has passed on. I can only hope we did some good in the five years we operated.
When I drop in at the local gun shops in the area to chew the fat and see what's new, I frequently end up shaking my head at the folks both at the counter and behind it.
As steelslayer said. Man checks the gun for clear and hands it you. Then YOU check it for clear as well. And don't point it at the dealer while you examine it!
Birdhunter6
Member
The thing we can NEVER tell students: You have to break 2 rules to have a CATASTROPHIC accident. Idiots would consider that permission to break 1 rule at a time...
OP
True, we must all strive not only to not break any of them but to instruct others to do the same.
Up here there are several shooting sports at the High School and Middle School. We have classes on gun safety at Our range and We teach the SD Hunt Safe program. Always ask a person,(child, adult, or ET) if They know how to make sure a gun is safe. If They answer yes, watch very closely. If they answer No, teach Them the proper method. Be gentle, don't yell, TEACH!
kbm6893
Member
Agree with virtually all you said, but people make mistakes, as Bill Jordan did, you did, I did, and many others here. The benefits of a magazine disconnect far outweigh the one real drawback (sometimes affects the trigger pull, but even that is a tiny drawback), and the imagined drawback of needing to fire a round in self defense while the magazine is out. And remember this, the guns that DON'T get fired when they weren't meant to don't make the news, unlike the ones who DO fire and hit somebody with a magazine out.
We all lament on the stupid warnings printed on the slides and frames of guns. "WARNING: GUN WILL FIRE WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED". It is such a real issue that they put that **** on the gun to protect the company from lawsuits. Lawsuits that were filed when somebody is shot when the magazine is out and the idiots thought the gun was empty.
The wife of the cop shot and killed by Jordan did not pursue legal action. I would have sued him for every single thing he had. On another forum, the daughter of that dead cop posted how bad Jordan felt and how the death of her father affected her life. It was a sad read, for sure. In his case, a magazine disconnect wouldn't have mattered since it was a revolver. In all the cases listed in the article, all of those lives would have been spared.
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OP
Ya around here most of the kids go through hunter safety. In fact during the fall teacher conference when kids don't have school there is a special early 2 day deer season for those 10-15 when accompanied by an certified adult mentor over 21. Anyone over 12 must complete hunter safety unless accompanied by a mentor. A youth 10-15 can hunt for 2 seasons without hunter safety with a certified mentor.
I am proud to say I am a certified mentor and have not only instructed kids as to safe gun handling, and shooting, but have managed to see them have successful hunts
Here a child under 18 who has a life threatening illness can get a free one time license that includes fishing, birds,deer elk and antelope and the requirement for hunter safety is waived for them but they must be accompanied by a licensed adult
I am proud to say I am a certified mentor and have not only instructed kids as to safe gun handling, and shooting, but have managed to see them have successful hunts
Here a child under 18 who has a life threatening illness can get a free one time license that includes fishing, birds,deer elk and antelope and the requirement for hunter safety is waived for them but they must be accompanied by a licensed adult
This is probably why I won’t get an automatic.
I’ll take swing out cylinder… check it, and know it’s unloaded.
It’s not about me, it’s about someone else with it.
I’ll take swing out cylinder… check it, and know it’s unloaded.
It’s not about me, it’s about someone else with it.
kbm6893
Member
Once you believe you’re infallible, you’re more apt to fail? I agree with that. Problem is many people on this very forum have said they don’t need a magazine disconnect or even a manual safety because they “have trained to keep their finger off the trigger”, so those very people actually DO believe they’re infallible.
And yes, pointing a weapon at a person is beyond reckless, but unfortunately there are far too many people who think guns are toys, and ironically, it is those very people who would benefit from the magazine disconnect. That’s another reason I don’t shoot at public ranges. Too many idiots with guns.
My own ND was me pointing the gun at a wall. Nobody hurt, but thank God nobody was in the next room because the bullet went right into that room. Truth is, I’m grateful it happened. Made me WAY more careful when handling a weapon.
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