red dot for M&P AR 15 22 cal

[photoracer]

When it comes to Steel Challenge forget all this tactical c**p. It means nothing and will slow you down. Co-witness? NOT! Tactical red dot? NOT!
There is the C-More Railway for those that can handle $200 for a sight and one or two others that work fairly well for less like the TruGlo Dual Red/Green Reflex sight ($65) or a Pentax HS20 ($55). Unless you have a lot of experience using a particular sight that is comfortable to use that you use on other firearms, use something that will force you to develop both-eyes open shooting skills if you can't do that now. That means an open reflex red dot not a tube type red dot.
Most of my action pistols have C-Mores on them. Both my 15-22s have something else, but they are reflex sights that are plenty bright enough for daylight use. And make sure you mount them at the far end of the receiver rail from your eye. This will help to shoot both eyes open so you can see the next target outside of the sight picture.

 

[Kayback]

use something that will force you to develop both-eyes open shooting skills if you can't do that now. That means an open reflex red dot not a tube type red dot.
....This will help to shoot both eyes open so you can see the next target outside of the sight picture.

What sort of tube type dots have you been using? All of the ones I have used are meant to be shot with both eyes open. That is part of the whole point of a red dot sight.

I've used Aimpoint Comp's, M4's, H-1's. I've used knock off Aimpoint H-1's. I've used TASCO brand 30mm tube red dots, I've used Hawke tube style red dots. I've used ACOG style sights, I've used open reflex ones like the C-mor, I've used cheapy ones like the NC Star sights, I've used Eotech's all the way back to the Bushnell Holo sight.

Two eyes is how they are meant to be. I don't understand how the tube type is different.

There may be less peripheral clutter on some of the Reflex types, but not all.

KBK

 

[photoracer]

If you shoot a lot of Bullseye, with long red dot tube sights like the Ultradot MatchDot or Burris SpeedDot 135 you tend to gravitate to a single eye even if both are open.
Many people mistakenly mount tube type red dots too close to the eye because they are used to scopes. This prevents the proper use of both eyes. With a reflex sight, even if you mount it too close, the thin rim generally fools your eye into thinking it is more like a window than a scope. So people tend to use both eyes open even when they try not to. It is a good training aid. There are plenty of top shooters that have no problem using tube red dots with both eyes open. My friend BJ Norris is a good example. He uses Aimpoint Micros for everything, pistols, rifles, you name it. He likes the way they work for him so he mounts them on every firearm he is allowed to by the rules. He might be faster on the rifle with a C-More but there are muscle memory advantages to looking thru the same model of sight regardless of the competition.
I also sometimes use a 40mm tube version of the TruGlo Dual Red/Green red dot. I used it for over a year in Ruger Rimfire and Steel Challenge rifle stages. It works fine for me. However the stock 3 MOA dot is a little smaller than I like. Except at small targets where it comes into its own. But I generally find I shoot faster with the low peripheral clutter of reflex sights. I am measurably faster with that kind of sight in fact. Just like I am measurably faster with a Geissele S3G vs the RRA NM trigger. And considering I am 65 YO I need every speed enhancement I can get competing against much younger shooters.
Oh by the way on Jerry's exhibition 15-22, the reason why the trigger is gold is because his favorite AR trigger is the AT AR15 Gold trigger, the same one he uses in his 3-gun S&W AR-15.

 

[Kayback]

If you shoot a lot of Bullseye, with long red dot tube sights like the Ultradot MatchDot or Burris SpeedDot 135 you tend to gravitate to a single eye even if both are open..

Ah ok. I have never used either of those. Thanks for clearing that up.

KBK

 

[reddione]

I need suggestions for a good red dot for the M&P AR 15 22cal to use in steel challenge matches.

Try the sightmark ultra dual shot pro spec, you'll get the best of both worlds a accurate sight with an attatched laser for close range situations.

Ultra Dual Shot Pro Spec (SM14003) | Sightmark

 

[mb66]

My guess is he bought one back in January.

 

[Simpleman71]

Another fan of trs-25.

 

[CoyoteWayne]

Bushnell trs-25 w/riser. I have MBUIS flip up sight that are 1/3rd co=witnessed and love it. Out the door at Wal-Mart $109.

 

[Huybert]

Yep the Bushnell TRS-25 with riser is what I use and love it

 

[DelFuego]

I need suggestions for a good red dot for the M&P AR 15 22cal to use in steel challenge matches.

Ugh.... He referred to it as an AR15 22... The pain... Ugh...

 

[yugowego]

Aimpoint H1

 

[Vinney47]

I have the sightmark ultrashot on my M&P15x and it has worked really well for me, should be great on a 15-22. I have the Amazon.com : Sun Optics USA Electronic 23 x 33 mm Reflex Sight Red/Green Infra Red 4-Reticle Sighting Device : Red Dot Sights : Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31uGtKA%2BKYL.@@AMEPARAM@@31uGtKA%2BKYL on my 15-22 and really like it as well. Not quite as rugged as the sightmark, but just fine on a .22lr that isn't going into battle, and I really like the green option.

 

[gbcline0313]

I put a Sig Sauer 3x red/green dot on mine and love it cost about $175.00.

 

[gbcline0313]

I use this:
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/CmsContent/documents/CP1_PrismaticScope8500857_HR copy.pdf

Love it.

 

[Gunzilla]

There many decent red dots that will work for what you want it for, and most were mentioned above so I'll spare you my opinion on those optics....for now.

If all your stages are under 50 yards a red dot should do fine.......but, if you have to reach out further you may want to rethink where you want to spend your hard earned dollars.

What you may want to consider trying a 1x4 scope that can be adjusted for distance shots. Our farthest shots in a stage are 100 yards and a red dot on a 22 is not the best choice. I started out using a red dot and tried a Burris LRS (Tac 30?), with the BDC reticle, and I'll never got back to a 1x red dot for shots beyond 50 yards.

Even on the shorter stages it can come in handy to be able to dial-in your optimal setting for each stage.

Now for the red dot advice, if you must have reliability then don't skimp on what you spend. I know it hurts to have to put down $500+ for a decent optic or scope but the 'guideline' is to spend as much on your optic as you did on your rifle....and that ain't hard to do with a 15-22.

Happy hunting......

 

[Manuel45]

Vortex SFRD-1x30 StrikeFire, hands down! I am surprised nobody has mentioned it. I am very impressed with its accuracy.

Vortex SFRD 1x30 Strikefire Red Dot Green Dot Riflescope Matte Black Brand New 875874001534 | eBay

 

[Ibmikey]

I have a Redfield Counterstrike on one of my AR's and it is an awesome performer that will take recoil and abuse without complaint. The other day I changed it to my 15-22 moe and without so much as one click adjustment it was shooting on at 50 yards. Check out this sight for a good quality sight with Redfield's lifetime warranty.

 

[batman4706]

I use a Walther red dot off ebay for $35.99.

 

[mn_doggie]

I have a TRS-25 and love it. It works great.

Recently on another forum, people complained about the LED optics bump that is in the field of view (about the 4-5 o'clock positon). The original poster said it wasn't there the day he mounted the sight and that he believed it was a glob of grease. Other people piped in saying it was normal.

All the micro sized tube type red dots have the same system. Sig, Bushnell, Aimpoint and Primary Arms.

Even after posting pictures of the $600+ Aimpoint MicroT1, people still said it shouldn't be there and that he should send it back.

It's a great sight. Just be aware that the LED assembly is visible internally; that's the trade of for a small tube version red dot.

 

[Kayback]

If you can see the LED projector while using the sight, you are using it wrong.

You should be looking at the target and have the dot hovering in your field of view. The tube and definitely the projector should be blurring into close distance clutter. If you can see the projector clearly you're looking for the DOT while shooting, not looking for the target and using the correct technique to bring the dot where it needs to be.


KBK

 

[mn_doggie]

If you can see the LED projector while using the sight, you are using it wrong.

You should be looking at the target and have the dot hovering in your field of view. The tube and definitely the projector should be blurring into close distance clutter. If you can see the projector clearly you're looking for the DOT while shooting, not looking for the target and using the correct technique to bring the dot where it needs to be.


KBK

My point is that people, whether or not they are using it correctly, complain about the projector.

When they pick the unit up at the gun shop, it may not even have a battery in place to view the dot. They hold it up and see the irregular tube outline due to the projector.

If they purchased the model, sight unseen online, they rush to the forums
two minutes after opening the package, and whine.

You can tell them they are using it wrong.

I'll let them know it's there ahead of time.

 

[Drunk3n Snip3R]

For the cost, Primary Arms. Enough Said

 

[noslolo]

I bought a utg/leapers when I started a pistol .22lr league. It was too big so i put it on my 15-22 and it does surprisingly well. I did buy a TRS-25 for my Buckmark and it works very well. If I ever use the 15-22 in competition I will put the Bushnel on it. For plinking the Utg is fine.

 

[Whitey66]

Check this out for you Question

I second that

M&P 1522 fun day red dot - YouTube

 

[JasonM]

I get the feeling that many of you chiming in here either missed that the OP wanted something for the steel challenge matches or aren't familiar with them. The targets are all close and relatively large compared to most other matches. For rimfire rifles, all five targets usually get shot within 3 or 4 seconds. It's a speed game, not a precision game, and it's lots of fun.

Go with a reflex sight. As has been mentioned, the basic ones <$100 all look the same because they are the same. I just picked up a couple more at Cabelas on sale, one for my 22/45 MKIII and another for my daughter's soon-to-be 15-22.

 

[tomcatt51]

I get the feeling that many of you chiming in here either missed that the OP wanted something for the steel challenge matches or aren't familiar with them.

Or only read the last post of the thread or are totally clueless as to what steel challenge is all about.

My 15-22 was put together for for Steel Challenge and Ruger Rimfire Challenge and it wears a C-more.

 

[BigWaylon]

Or only read the last post of the thread or are totally clueless as to what steel challenge is all about.

Or just read the last post and don't realize the OP asked the question in Jan 2013. Hopefully they have purchased a RDS at this point.

 

[eness76]

Lol... bought this scope for my 15-22 on Amazon for $37 and absolutely love the thing. Well-built, red/green dot have brightness controls and it's pretty easy to adjust the MOA. To quote my son after I got it dead on zeroed at 50 yards- "Dad, it takes the challenge out of it... it's like a video game now."

I have this one also and really like it. I have the one with the QD base. I liked it so much I bought another for my gsg 522.

 

[tomcatt51]

Or just read the last post and don't realize the OP asked the question in Jan 2013. Hopefully they have purchased a RDS at this point.

I read all the posts. I knew this started in Jan 2013. I was curious how many responses wer actually "on topic" by someone who seemed to have a clue what steel challenge is.

Of the first 54 posts, 4 qualify. The first "on topic" post wasn't until post #17. Hardly encouraging.

Recommendations for steel challenge optics is still a valid question...