Reload or buy bulk????

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I shoot my AR quite a bit. I make it out atleast two weeks a month and shooting atleast 100 of .223 rounds every time. Would it be smarter in my situation to begin reloading or keep buying bulk? Also interested in knowing the cost to begin reloading.
 
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If you value your time, then buying bulk is probably cheaper. For me, reloading is mostly for when I want special loads
 
There is, at least to me, a significant amount of outlay in starting to handload. I would suspect you would be out somewhere in the neighborhood or $500 to get started and get started with the kind of equipment that will last you the rest of your life. By that I mean RCBS, CH4D, Forster, Hornady, or similar. I do not recommend Lee. There are those that will castigate me for saying this, but the 'net is full of incidents where Lee presses broke pivots, shafts, etc. Buy once, cry once...

.223 brass is everywhere, and it typically will stand up to 3-4 re-loadings. If you take the brass out of the mix (and I have several thousand pieces), I have my .223/5.56 handloading costs down to approximately $.18/round. If you add in the brass, it adds about a dime a round to the mix, or somewhere around $.30, give or take.

It breaks out like this: $.035 for a primer (bought in bulk @ $35/M, costs are cheaper now...), $.0625 for powder ( 280 rounds per lb and the powder cost me $17.50/lb.), and projectile costs of $.082. (I bought 2000 55-grain Varmint Nightmares for $154 plus approximately $10 shipping.)

The thing to remember is it will take quite a while to recoup the original outlay for the equipment, but eventually you will do exactly that. Once that happens, you are well on your way to much cheaper handloading. And it is probably a safe bet that the equipment you bought, if you bought the good stuff initially, will still be doing the job for you when you are old and gray-haired like I am!

I hope this helps. Just understand that once you take the plunge, the sky is the limit on what you will probably purchase in components and accessories unless you are far more disciplined than most of us!
 
200-300 rounds a month probably not worth it from economical stand point, however if you want to pursue a new hobby, want to create your own ammo, be less affected by the next big ammo drought then reloading makes sense.
 
Similar to fly fishing, there comes a point where purchasing vs learning to tie your own becomes the question.

Learning to tie flies brought a whole new level of enjoyment to my attempts to learn to fly fish. Eventually I came to enjoy tieing flies more than actually fly fishing, however odd that may sound.

Circa 1980 I began handgun competition and needed such volume of ammo I could only afford to pursue the hobby via hand loading.

It rapidly became a satisfying activity in itself, and has augmented my enjoyment of the Art & Science of Ballistic Perfection along the way.

I started loading with the premier progressive press of the era, the Dillon 450. It was a magnificent experience and I stay with Old Blue to this very day, as the advantages of hand loading are numerous.

Enjoy your hobby. And buy GOOD tools once. Handloading becomes not a matter of 'how much can I save' but rather 'how much more can I shoot for a given $ amount'.
 
Reloading can work if you shoot three or more weapons.
I have several shotguns of different gauges, as well as pistols, revolvers and rifles.
For me it paid several times over in the 49 years of loading.

Factory ammo is ok at low prices also..........mostly if you keep the brass. It can be sold, traded or used later on.
 
I keep the brass in foolish attempt to lie to myself that I will reload. In all honesty I don't want another hobby and I don't have the patience to sit there and reload in any meaningful quantity. I may get as much as 10 reloads before I'd probably loose intrest. So for me it makes more sense to buy
 
I do all my rifle brass prep off the press first and then I use my Lee (gasp) Classic Turret for the rest. I find .223 pretty easy to reload and good brass seems to last several reloadings unless I'm loading them red hot. This is about the pace I move at when loading .223 since I want to be sure all the powder falls just right each time.

http://youtu.be/xWiCfemyva4

Some people have a five station progressive that lubes and sized the brass on the press and even trims but I just haven't tried that as the setup cost is a bit more than I'm willing to spend. But it can be done.
 
If you're only looking froma dollar aspect, buy bulk. If you want another hobby, take pride in working up your own special loads, want something not available on the LGS shelves, AND have time on your hand, reload.

No matter what setting up to reload costs, you'll eventually recoup those costs.
 
Do both!
Buy bulk 55 grain .223/5.56 and reload as 69, 75 or 77 grain. I found it is cheaper to buy blaster ammo and reload for precision or specialty ammo. I can make a very accurate 55 gr load, but it is very close to Wolf Gold's price. So I buy my 55 gr loads and reload as 'the good stuff'.
 
I have reloaded for 25+ years.

223/ 5.56 is like 9mm to me. The cost to buy bulk new is close enough to reload cost that I just buy bulk.

Now for 44 magnum.. reload
 
If you have the money buy cases of loaded ammo. To buy all the "stuff" necessary to load 223/556 would set you back more money than you think. Also not the best caliber to learn reloading on.

For what you say you shoot and today's prices for components, I would buy it loaded, shoot and have fun.

You have to be sure of your brass, probably ream primer pockets (military brass), trim the brass, size the brass. If the case shoulder is not right you will have feeding problems (unlike a straight case like a 38 special)

I am set up to load about every common caliber, some times I just pull out boxes of loaded 223 to go shoot as I do not shoot that much of it in a AR. I load my bolt action rifle.
 
Two considerations not yet mentioned -

Are you extraordinarily detail oriented? There is not much room for error. I am, but arthritis adds issues that I can't overcome, so I buy bulk.

If you rent or lease the space where you would do the reloading, be sure you are not in violation of your lease terms.
 
At 2,400 rounds/year, you are spending about $800 a year on ammo depending on what you are shooting. It will cost you about that much to get setup to reload. After that, you can reload for maybe half the cost of bulk going forward, but you have a large investment of your time involved that you need to consider.

If that was the only caliber I was shooting, I might not reload. That is probably one of the cheaper calibers to buy in bulk for. Well, at least until the BATFE messes with the market again.

Mike
 
By in bulk.
Reloading becomes an addiction and leads to all kinds of unintended things like buying reloading equipment, at first it's just for a 223, then 9mm , then 45 acp , then 308 .......buying more dies , more and better presses, reloading becomes an obsession , then....here's the worst , you start the dreaded BULLET CASTING.... the bullet moulds, furnances, sizers ,sizing dies, top punches......My God there is no end to it!
So don't fall into it, it will control your life, you walk roads and parking lots searching for wheel weights, you encourage your daughter's to marry the son's of tire store owners , your motive being a free wheel weight source. Don't ruin your life and your daughter's lives....just say no!
Gary
reloader and caster since 1967, may the Lord have mercy on my soul.
 
200 rounds a month is not a lot. If you decide to reload you will save some money and shoot more.

You will also spend more time preparing your brass and reloading than actually shooting. If you have a place to reload, have the time, and this sounds at least partially appealing, then you're going to get sucked in like many of us.

I find reloading relaxing, can shoot exactly the load I want to, and am somewhat insulated from ammo availability concerns.

At 200 plus rounds a month, I would not reload as a cost saving. It's the other factors that make it worthwhile for me...

Just my $.02...

Will
 
If you are patient, can do repetitive tasks for hours, can pay close attention to what you're doing, follow directions, you can reload. If you would only be reloading to have stuff that goes bang, mebbe not. If you are into custom ammo, shooting activities you can do at home anytime, you should!

I can't deal with numbers as I quit trying to figger costs about 30 years ago. I like reloading and I would prolly reload if it were only 50 rounds per year (and it has been that low!). Reloading for me has nothing to do with money (although I do have ammo handy that I cannot buy for less than my left arm at my LGS). By reloading I have also learned a lot more about my guns than I would have shooting factory ammo.

Just banging away with your AR, and having "tactile" fun, mebbe bulk ammo is better...
 
There are three possible benefits to handloading:

- lower cost per round made than factory. IOW, cost
- more consistent ammo, better matched to your rifle. IOW, accuracy
- a satisfying hobby, complementary to shooting. IOW, enjoyment.

If you do not have time, do not have space to set up what amounts to a small assembly shop, don't have patience, can't or won't RTFM, don't have any mechanical aptitude . . . well, these things can be overcome but they are indicators reloading is not for you.

You will spend $500 to $1,000 very quickly on equipment depending on the reloading route you choose. And you will front money to buy components in bulk to lower costs, just like you would for bulk ammo.

It's easy to make 223 ammo (55gr Hornady, 25gr H335, CCI41 primers) for $0.20 per round ex brass (so save your brass). Brass can be re-used 5-10 times, and mixed Nato brass can be purchased for $42/1000 (Powder Valley). So brass cost is less than $0.01 per round.

This ammo will give superior performance and be more accurate out of your rifle than any bulk ammo you can buy. Period.

I don't know your bulk ammo cost. The great deals I see here often don't exist when I go to buy lol :) But if you can save $0.20/round, your volume of 2,400 will net $480 per year. This will provide a 2 year payback on your initial investment at worst, and give a 50% to 100% return on your investment every year after that. Installing solar energy won't do that.

But I say again, you must have the time et al to do this. If you can work a second job instead of reloading, cost-wise you might be better off working than reloading. If you forget about ammo accuracy lol.

Others will say you save no money, you will just shoot more. For many that's true. But it completely hides the fact that if you shoot more, you will save more.

IOW, it is undeniable that every handloaded round you shoot costs less - what you do with the savings is up to you.

If on a budget and only reloading 223, I would recommend a Lee Turret, Lee Dies, an RCBS beam scale and checkweights, Lee hand case prep and trimming tools to use in your drill. The Turret will give you enough speed to make reloading 200 rounds/month reasonable and all these tools have a short learning curve.

If you plan to load other calibers in the future, the Lee features quick changeover and setup as well as low cost.

After learning the process and gaining experience, there are some Lee tools you may want to replace for efficiency. If you eventually pursue match ammo, your savings will skyrocket . . . and you would likely choose different equipment. But the Lee stuff will work and produce very good ammo.

Evaluate yourself, your time, your patience, your willingness to be a prudent student. Then decide.
 
I dont like to spend $41.00 for a Box of Bullets so I reload and besides that it is relaxing to Me.
 
With 223/556, it's more a question of whether you enjoy reloading or are articulate enough to tune a specific load to your rifle(s) than it is a question of economics.

With rounds like 41 Magnum, 250 Savage, and 218 Bee, reloading becomes a more of an economic concern.

I enjoy reloading and reload nearly everything I shoot. The main exceptions to this are 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R. These I can buy considerably cheaper than I can reload. Of course I can't reload rimfire ammo.
 
IMO Twoboxer layed it out pretty well. There is more to reloading than simple cost and you really need to look at the whole picture before making a decision on wheter to reload or not.

Personally the main reason I chose to reload was that I'm a bit of an accuracy nut with my rifles. If you've built a sub 1/2 MOA rifle it's a near certainty that you'll need to build custom loads to get the most out of that rifle.

Then there is the matter of the enjoyment you may find in reloading. I find reloading is a good way to get away from the rat race and spend time concentrating on just one thing that I enjoy doing.
 
Just based on cost, the only way buying bulk is cheap is if you are happy shooting the cheap Russian Krap they sell to us here. Otherwise. You can reload better quality ammo for about $200/1000, that is amortizing buying once fired brass & reloading it 8x, at current component prices.
So yes, I can load for less than buying bulk ammo. My ammo will probably shoot better, certainly not wear my AR parts out like steel cased. If you have time, then reloading works well for you. 100rds a month is pretty low. If you can save $80/1000 reloading, it would take you about 4yrs to pay for a modest turret reloading setup. Always comes down to time vs $$. If you just want another hobby, reloading is a great hobby & your ammo will be cheaper.
 
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Good bulk is acceptable....

I can only afford the cheapest way and reloading helps there. But the main reason for reloading my own is that I can make anything. Any bullet or any powder from bunny poot loads to elephant gun. Besides that, it's fun. If you shoot a lot and have time, go with reloading. If you need production, go with a turret or progressive press. If I had it to do all over again I would get a turret over a single stage. Only a tad more complicated, but a lot less fiddling with dies.
 
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I buy all my components in bulk, so the cost per unit is less. I find that I can load match grade ammunition for about the cost of bulk.

I started reloading in 1974, so my equipment has been paid for long ago.

I haven't saved a dime by reloading. My first reloading setup consisted of a Lee Loader in .30 Carbine. Today, I have a 8x12ft room dedicated to reloading. I currently load for over 20 calibers and have 27 different powders on hand. That first box of ammo was the most expensive I've ever loaded.
 
Taking into account the then-current prices of factory ammunition and of reloading components, I once estimated that it would take around three thousand rounds loaded to amortize the cost of a new progressive press. I'm sorry, but I do not remember the caliber I used for the estimate. After the equipment is "paid for", you should be able to cut your ammunition cost in half. This assumes you are loading for economy (but to be able to shoot more!).
 
If you want to get the most possible out of your firearm then reloading is the way to go. A reloader can tailor loads with various bullets to a specific firearm and meet specific shooting needs.

A noted above the initial money outlay for reloading can add up quickly and if your time is limited and money less so then factory is the way to go. As for me, having to buy even 200-300/month would justify at least a single stage press and small vibratory brass cleaner.

Just my $.02
 
I do both. I don't shoot .223, but I go through a bunch of 7.62X51. I have 4 rifles in this caliber.
Every 4-5 years I'll buy a large quantity of bulk ammo. I make sure that its good stuff and the brass is reloadable. The bulk ammo costs me a bit more, but I have brass to reload for quite a while.
 
I haven't saved a dime by reloading. My first reloading setup consisted of a Lee Loader in .30 Carbine. Today, I have a 8x12ft room dedicated to reloading. I currently load for over 20 calibers and have 27 different powders on hand. That first box of ammo was the most expensive I've ever loaded.

Now here is a dose of true enlightened honesty. Michigan Scott lays it right out there for you. I too never really saved any serious money loading since I keep feeding the beast with new tools and cartridges and guns to explore. I was lucky to get started when I was a young kid hanging around older shooters who gave me chores like sorting brass or hulls, de-priming and gradually learning the ropes.

Some folks just like to shoot and loading and pulling the trigger satisfies their needs. But I always wanted more and tailor made ammo for my guns proved to not only be a habit I couldn't kick but a science and hobby that after fifty years still has me wondering why and how. During the journey my reloading, casting and machine space has grown beyond what is reasonable but there you are. Star presses, several nice Hollywoods, etc etc and honestly less time to shoot and more time helping others load and figure out what works for each need. I can't ever imagine not reloading and tending brass and bullets. Just moved to Michigan so looking forward to working with some new cartridge rifle combos they use up here in the thick timber.

Good luck
 
You get some truths from all the old reloaders. Here's mine: No one ever saved anything reloading. They just end up shooting a lot more and when the "buyers" are at home pouting because they can't find ammo. Its kind of involved. But what happens is you will end up with enough components sitting around that you can generally shoot for years without buying more. Over the last 2 years its been pretty nice. And during tough times (like the last 2 years) you don't feel any compulsion to pay high prices.

But something I've noticed is you become aware of costs. We were hiking a flea market and some hillbilly had primers on the tailgate of his pickup. Not rusky junk, but CCI. And he wanted $100 for a sleeve of 5,000 of them. Yep, they came home with me. Another week a guy had a box of reloading stuff. Just old junk. Probably 1960 vintage bullets, maybe 15 boxes. And he wanted $20 for it all. Over time you end up with enough stuff that you can crank out plinking ammo for almost nothing.

Yes, I'm really old and still have my first press from about 1970. Before that I used a nutcracker / Lyman 310 tool. I still use it to prime 38s, 357s and 22 Jets.

I'm guessing my older son eagerly awaits my passing. He'll inherit all the stuff and wonder why I ever accumulated it all.
 
I hear the "not saved any $$ reloading" line a lot. Maybe you don't shoot enough or reload anything semi exotic but even buying the best gear made, if you shoot a lot, like more than 200rds a month, you can save quite a bit. Shoot magnum handgun or rifle, the cost savings can pay for a premium setup in as little as a year.
When I decided to go progressive about 25yrs ago, I was loading 45colt for CAS. At the time, lead bulleted ammo was about $25/50. With the wife, we were shooting about 2K a month. I paid for my first 550 & all the bells & whistles in about 3 months. So it just depends. Being able to customize any ammo, any caliber is worth reloading on it's own. Once you have the press, adding a caliber is less than a box or two of factory ammo.
 
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