Wanted to share with the group that a couple friends and I traveled to the far coast of N.C. (Aurora) for some work, shooting and golf. We arrived on Thursday early evening and broke out our small array of handguns for some plinking. One semi-auto Ruger and two S&W revolvers Mod. 34-1 & a pre-model 17. In the beginning the Ruger fired every time the trigger was pulled and then experienced a couple FTF's, upon closer investigation, the ammo was very hard to chamber in the semi-auto. Appeared to have increased in diameter just beyond the brass and would not fully insert into either of the cylinders of the Smith & Wesson revolvers. As it turns out there was two different bulk boxes of the same ammo involved, not sure of the age. Has our new administration already succeeded in requiring the ammo manufacturers to build in automatic deterioration? I have had FTF, and then hit them again and they would fire but Failure to insert into the cylinders is a new development. Would I be successful in trying to clean the ammo with steel wool or fine abrasive paper in order to have them insert into the cylinder? Needless to say, ammo (even .22 cal) is too expensive to throw it away. Anyone had this problem? Help! Thanks. P.S. The cylinders are very clean looking.
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flop-shank
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Remington rimfire ammo is junk. Don't think any further than that.
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Remington Bulk .22 Gold Ammo
flop-shank, I will agree that this we tried to use is not usable and assume from your statement that it comes to the consumer this way no matter how long it has been since purchase. Is there any way to salvage for plinking? I really appreciate your reply and hope someone else has an alternative to throwing it away if there is a way to salvage it. Oh yea, I did not purchase this and will not purchase any more in the future, has anyone communicated with Remington about the malfunction?
flop-shank, I will agree that this we tried to use is not usable and assume from your statement that it comes to the consumer this way no matter how long it has been since purchase. Is there any way to salvage for plinking? I really appreciate your reply and hope someone else has an alternative to throwing it away if there is a way to salvage it. Oh yea, I did not purchase this and will not purchase any more in the future, has anyone communicated with Remington about the malfunction?
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Jolly
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Many split cases.
10% failure to fire and upon inspection contain no primer.
This is my experience so far.
10% failure to fire and upon inspection contain no primer.
This is my experience so far.
44forever
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You might try them in a bolt action or lever action rifle as they would offer more leverage for chambering but personally I don't like having to force any cartridge. especially rimfire, into the chamber. Fingers are more expensive than ammo and eyes are dearer still!
flop-shank
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I would call Remington. When I had some bad centerfire ammo (R357M1) a little over a year ago, I think it was, Bill Conrad and Sandra Strickland at Remington exceeded my expectations for customer service. Remington will, I'm sure, stand behind their product. Remington is an excellent ammo maker, I just wish they would get their act together and make rimfire ammo to the same standard as their centerfire line up.
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Thanks to all for the replies and the input concerning what seem to be an ongoing problem. I did, in fact call Remington, after talking to many folks who were not involved with the ammunition side of the business I was directed to the Arkansas factory and advised to pack it up and send it to them for evaluation, they are sending a packing slip to me. I am convinced that any manufacturer worth its salt has a genuine desire to make quality products for the consumer and Remington being an old firm with rich history in the field is no exception. My initial concern is not with the original failed ammo but with the remaining numerous boxes that I have purchased for future use. I am confident that the right thing will be done. If there is interest, I will post their reply, if not, thanks for allowing me to pursue this subject on this forum.
Thanks to all for the replies and the input concerning what seem to be an ongoing problem. I did, in fact call Remington, after talking to many folks who were not involved with the ammunition side of the business I was directed to the Arkansas factory and advised to pack it up and send it to them for evaluation, they are sending a packing slip to me. I am convinced that any manufacturer worth its salt has a genuine desire to make quality products for the consumer and Remington being an old firm with rich history in the field is no exception. My initial concern is not with the original failed ammo but with the remaining numerous boxes that I have purchased for future use. I am confident that the right thing will be done. If there is interest, I will post their reply, if not, thanks for allowing me to pursue this subject on this forum.
Dan Cash
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I think it might be a problem with all bulk pack ammo. I have some Winchester that is deplorable. I would check your chambers, though. They may look pretty clean but this cheap ammo seems to be leaving a hard, dry residue in the bore. It makes me get the bronze brush after a couple of cylinders full. It also leads my K22 like you would not believe.
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Reply to the last suggestion concerning dirty cylinder chambers. Point well taken except that the exact same problem has occurred with two model 34's and one pre model 17. All chambers were wire brushed and clean of apparent residue and the problem is not present with every round but the majority of rounds. Please continue the suggestions, I'll continue to listen and learn. Thanks.
Reply to the last suggestion concerning dirty cylinder chambers. Point well taken except that the exact same problem has occurred with two model 34's and one pre model 17. All chambers were wire brushed and clean of apparent residue and the problem is not present with every round but the majority of rounds. Please continue the suggestions, I'll continue to listen and learn. Thanks.
Smith357
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I stopped using Remingto rimfire ammo years ago. I found Remington Rimfire ammo to be utterly worthless. My rifle will consistently shoot MOA groups with CCI, Federal, and other low cost ammo if I do my part. It's accuracy is even better with R50 or Tenex. When I run Remington through it the ammo is so inconsistent the groups turn into patterns and I'm lucky if I can get it to shoot 2 inch groups at 50 yards.
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I bought a bulk pack of RGB and shot them in my Ruger Mark II 5.5" stainless with the same results. Big time jams on the way into the firing chamber. Looked like it was trying to break the bullet in half. A CZ 75 with a Kadet .22 upper and a Walther P 22 ate the stuff up, spit it out and begged for more. It was the Ruger that had to have the $$$ Mini Mags. Of course, it's opposit when I have Fed bulk. Federal Champions are the only round my CZ 75 Kadet kit doesn't run.
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Remington Bulk "Golden Bullet" ammo revisited
Ladies and gents a box from Remington was waiting at my door when I returned from a short road trip today. A letter explaining the necessity to keep ammo from the elements while in storage was included. The box also contained a complete new box of 525 .22 LR "Golden Bullet" ammunition. Mr. Conrad explained that corrosion had caused the lead to swell preventing it from properly inserting into the chambers. This indicates to me that Remington does have concern for their consumers and strives to keep them happy even if their responsibility may have expired. I am very happy with the outcome and will not hesitate to shop the Remington brand and recommend it to others. Thanks for allowing me to involve you guys with this. Hope we all benefit form the experience.
Ladies and gents a box from Remington was waiting at my door when I returned from a short road trip today. A letter explaining the necessity to keep ammo from the elements while in storage was included. The box also contained a complete new box of 525 .22 LR "Golden Bullet" ammunition. Mr. Conrad explained that corrosion had caused the lead to swell preventing it from properly inserting into the chambers. This indicates to me that Remington does have concern for their consumers and strives to keep them happy even if their responsibility may have expired. I am very happy with the outcome and will not hesitate to shop the Remington brand and recommend it to others. Thanks for allowing me to involve you guys with this. Hope we all benefit form the experience.
flop-shank
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I told ya Mr. Conrad is a stand up guy. 
I'm glad all is well. Remington has been really cool to me too.
I'm glad all is well. Remington has been really cool to me too.
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flop-shank, you said it and it turned out to be "Fact", I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure that Remington appreciates your confidence as I do, Happy days are upon us.
flop-shank, you said it and it turned out to be "Fact", I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure that Remington appreciates your confidence as I do, Happy days are upon us.
ArchAngelCD
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I've always had good responses from Remington in the past whenever I've had a problem with any of their products. I'm glad they are continuing to do so.
As a side note, a few years back Winchester had a recall on their .22 Xpert Bulk pack. The recall stated there was a possibility of a double charge in some of the ammo. The box I had was within the recall lot so they sent me a shipping label and I sent it back. About a week later I got a letter thanking me for sending the ammo back and an apology for my inconvenience. Even though at the time that ammo was only ~$8.99/500 they sent me a voucher for $30 good for any Winchester ammo at any store. I bought a case of shotshells with it... (I hope I remembered the prices correctly)
As a side note, a few years back Winchester had a recall on their .22 Xpert Bulk pack. The recall stated there was a possibility of a double charge in some of the ammo. The box I had was within the recall lot so they sent me a shipping label and I sent it back. About a week later I got a letter thanking me for sending the ammo back and an apology for my inconvenience. Even though at the time that ammo was only ~$8.99/500 they sent me a voucher for $30 good for any Winchester ammo at any store. I bought a case of shotshells with it... (I hope I remembered the prices correctly)
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Ammo story
ArchAngelCD, I like your story better than mine. The outcomes of both help me keep faith in the major manufacturers, hope our government doesn't try to pith in and help this industry as it has the banks and auto makers. Appreciate all the replies.
ArchAngelCD, I like your story better than mine. The outcomes of both help me keep faith in the major manufacturers, hope our government doesn't try to pith in and help this industry as it has the banks and auto makers. Appreciate all the replies.
TSQUARED
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I have used a lot of Remington 22 LR ammo. The SV Target functions well and is very accurate and reliable. I use it in all my revolvers.
In the cheapie ammo category the Thunderbolt ammo which is not plated HV did show leading in revolvers and I would only use it in semi auto's. I found Thunderbolt to be quite accurate but stopped using it because of the leading problem.
The other bargain basement Remington 22 LR ammo, Golden Bullet bulk pack plated HV ammo, works well in my semi auto's but I do experience occasional ignition failures - in most cases the round will fire when turned 180 degrees in the chamber.
In my opinion Remington ammo is good value for the dollar. If one desires better performance then one has to step up to the plate with more cash.
In the cheapie ammo category the Thunderbolt ammo which is not plated HV did show leading in revolvers and I would only use it in semi auto's. I found Thunderbolt to be quite accurate but stopped using it because of the leading problem.
The other bargain basement Remington 22 LR ammo, Golden Bullet bulk pack plated HV ammo, works well in my semi auto's but I do experience occasional ignition failures - in most cases the round will fire when turned 180 degrees in the chamber.
In my opinion Remington ammo is good value for the dollar. If one desires better performance then one has to step up to the plate with more cash.
ArchAngelCD
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I agree... If we all contact manufacturers when things go bad and give them a chance to make thing right I feel they will continue to live up to their obligations. This have been said MANY times: Things can and will go wrong, it's how the manufacturer handles those problems that counts....
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