Removing M&P front sight

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Hello,
I bought a HIVIZ front sight for my M&P and now comes the chore of removing the existing front sight. After MANY solid blows with hammer and punch, the sight moved perhaps .06". Is there another way to remove the sight? I think I remember someone cutting the sight with a dremel tool...any suggestions?
 
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Make sure you are tapping from left to right when looking at the rear of the slide. The dove tail is tapered. The slide must be mounted in a vice to make it a solid object when you try to move the sight. You might also try putting some penetrating lube oil on it and let it sit overnight before trying to remove it. Personally, I wouldn't recommend trying to cut it out...to easy to damage the slide of the sight dove tail.
 
left to right

Lee,
I was going right to left. Perhaps that is the problem. I had been told that the rear sight is to be removed left to right but the front did not matter. Not sure why anyone would taper a dove tail...is this common?
 
Lee in Quartzsite said:
Where did you buy your sight and what brand is it? Is it the same height as the stock sight?

I bought it from MidwayUSA for $29. Its a HIVIZ brand model SW2007 for the Smith and Wesson M&P. Looks identical in height. Can't wait to get it on, I have a HIVIZ on my shotgun and I really like it. The dot size on this is small but then it is a pistol after all. Hoping to hear more on removing the original sight. I really don't want to cut it off. I did see a sight pusher somewhere on line for $130 but I'm to cheap to pay that.
 
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You really need to whack the M&P front sight- it's TIGHT. I had to use a steel punch and a framing hammer - my brass punch bent after a few blows. As perviously stated, secure the slide in a vise and drive the sight from left to right as seen from the back of the slide.
 
You really need to whack the M&P front sight- it's TIGHT. I had to use a steel punch and a framing hammer - my brass punch bent after a few blows. As perviously stated, secure the slide in a vise and drive the sight from left to right as seen from the back of the slide.

Wow, I'm not sure I have enough Cohonies to put a framing hammer and steel punch to my slide. The potential for some long term damage would overwhelm my desire for a new front sight.
 
I'm aware of one sight manufacturer that stated there were dimensional variances in the sight dovetail by S&W that created issues.
 
Yep, in S&W metal-framed pistols and the M&P pistol series are tapered and the sights go out left-to-right and back in right-to-left.

Not a steel punch, not for hammer blows ... a brass drift just small enough to fit in (and through) the dovetail cut. The pressure is focused against the side of the sight base, not the post itself (which will probably leave brass on the slide, if you drag or tip the drift, but which should wipe off with some regular solvent), because the power behind hammer blows can sometimes snap off a post.

While I used to use a 4 oz ball peen hammer and brass drift for sight work, I eventually started using a sight pusher when it came to night sights so I didn't damage the glass capsules. I was lucky that I never broke any night sights when I used to install them using a hammer & drift (and even had fit some sight bases themselves in older models), but I eventually decided to stop risking breakage of the night sights, which are expensive. ;)

For installation I usually use a drop or two of oil in the dovetail cut and tap the sight base with a plastic mallet to start the sight base into the cut, making sure it enters evenly and straight. Then I switch to a drift and ball peen hammer or a sight pusher. Again, the drift (because of hammer blows) should be against the base of the sight and not on the post.

I had to move my front & rear sights in one of my M&P pistols, but I was able to do so using a sight pusher without undue effort.

If you've never had experience in properly removing & installing a sight in a slide's dovetail cut, you might consider asking for some help from a local smith. The cost of replacing a sight damaged by improper removal or installation, or risking potential damage to a slide (for whatever reason or circumstance that might occur) would seem to make some professional assistance prudent and cost-effective.

Just my thoughts.
 
I sent my slide to Novak, I think they charged 35 dollars, cheaper than the tool or damaging the slide...I don't know it they do other brand sights, I would imagine they do. You can send it cheap if you just send the slide....regular USPS....They are very quick on service.
 
Nuclear option

Well I tried again today going left to right with punch I made up to increase the surface area against the site bottom and still cannot get the sight to move. I am about ready for the Nuclear option of getting a dremel and cutting it out! On another note I did replace the factory sear with one from APEX and the trigger pull is less along with a shorter reset. Just dry fire so far. Now I need that HIVIZ sight in place!
 
Well I tried again today going left to right with punch I made up to increase the surface area against the site bottom and still cannot get the sight to move. I am about ready for the Nuclear option of getting a dremel and cutting it out! On another note I did replace the factory sear with one from APEX and the trigger pull is less along with a shorter reset. Just dry fire so far. Now I need that HIVIZ sight in place!


I say just send it to the pros and be done with it, its not worth the hassle, if you can't get it out. There is no way I would start hacking on it with a dremel. I doubt the dremel will do well on hardened steel....my two or three cents.
 
I say just send it to the pros and be done with it, its not worth the hassle, if you can't get it out. There is no way I would start hacking on it with a dremel. I doubt the dremel will do well on hardened steel....my two or three cents.

Magnum, I am going to take your advise and have a local smith do it. Now to find one...
 
Magnum, I am going to take your advise and have a local smith do it. Now to find one...

I know I am repeating myself, but if you can't find someone local don't be afraid to send just your slide to someone, that way you can send it U.S. Postal Service on the cheap. As I said I used Novak, check their website. When I sent mine they had it back to me in less than a week, I was shocked...good luck.
 
I know I am repeating myself, but if you can't find someone local don't be afraid to send just your slide to someone, that way you can send it U.S. Postal Service on the cheap. As I said I used Novak, check their website. When I sent mine they had it back to me in less than a week, I was shocked...good luck.

Magnum,
I called Novak and I am going to send the slide to them. I was unsure if they would want to install a competitors sight but they will. I wish now H would have bought a sight from them but I did not know they were making one for the M&P. I forgot to ask if you pay in advance. One thing I don't care about with this particular HIVIZ sight is it is a dedicated green pipe...can't change it out to say a red pipe.
 
Magnum,
I called Novak and I am going to send the slide to them. I was unsure if they would want to install a competitors sight but they will. I wish now I would have bought a sight from them but I did not know they were making one for the M&P. I forgot to ask if you pay in advance. One thing I don't care about with this particular HIVIZ sight is it is a dedicated green pipe...can't change it out to say a red pipe.


Just get on their website they have complete instructions on sending your slide only to them....covering payment and such.
 
In an earlier post you mentioned you paid about 30 bucks for the Hiviz sight. Since you are sending it in to Novak why not just eat the 30 bucks and have them install one of their better sights...maybe a rear sight as well? I think you would might be better off in the long run....just my $0.02
 
In an earlier post you mentioned you paid about 30 bucks for the Hiviz sight. Since you are sending it in to Novak why not just eat the 30 bucks and have them install one of their better sights...maybe a rear sight as well? I think you would might be better off in the long run....just my $0.02

Lee,
Not sure what they have for the m&p but i will investigate. Thanks for the .02
 
MY TAKE ON THIS IS THAT SINCE YOUR TALKING ABOUT A ROLL PIN YOUR GUN IS A NEW J FRAME MODEL . THE ROLL PIN YOU ARE TRYING TO PUNCH OUT IS .056 TO .O57 DIA ,AND THE HOLE IS .054 TO .055 . SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR 1/16 ROLL PUNCH WHICH IS .0625 AND TURN IT DOWN TO .053 TO .054 .IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LATHE JUST PUT IT IN YOUR DRILL . SECURE THE DRILL AND FILE IT WITH A FINE FILE ,AND FINISH IT WITH SOME 320 MIN SAND PAPER ,AND THE PIN WILL COME OUT . BUT MAKE SURE ITS A ROLL PIN PUNCH AND IT IS .054 MAX DIA .THE NEW SIGHT COMES UN DRILLED SO AFTER YOU PUT IT BACK IN THE SLOT ,YOU WILL HAVE TO DRILL IT WITH A WIRE GAUGE DRILL # 54J =.055 DIA . THEN INSTALL THE ROLL PIN RIGHT TO LEFT UNTIL IT IS FLUSH ON THE LEFT SIDE JUST LIKE IT CAME FROM SMITH. USE A NICE SMALL 3/16THS BRASS DRIFT TO DRIVE IT IN .CLEAN UP THE LEADING EDGE AND EVERYTHING SHOULD GO VERY SMOOTH .HOPE THIS HELPS YOU .DR DICK
 

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