Reports of Lehigh Defense bullets in real life?

[lrrifleman]

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Has anyone seen any actual reports of Lehigh Defense bullets actually being used on humans in a self defense shooting, with any commentary on the wound channel and the effectiveness of the projectile? I know that on ballistic gel blocks, the bullets receive positive reviews, but real life reports trump gel block tests!

Thank you for your observations!

 

[Rule3]

In "real life"?

They are expensive "magic bullets" along with the G2 RIP bullets

 

[rwsmith]

I doubt you'll see much.......

That's so radical, I think it's going to take a long time to get any data AT ALL on using it for defense or even LEO work..

They are certainly effective, to the point of overkill and over penetration. Perhaps a caliber you used to kill deer can now be used to kill bigger animals.

As far as SD goes, those things are pretty brutal and again the risk of over penetration is great. I wouldn't use them for that.

 

[Protected One]

If you really want that type of information your best course of action might be to contact the company and ask. Manufacturers generally like to track and record information of significance, related to products they make.

 

[686-380]

I saw a thread on another popular forum(rhymes with smockchock), around a year ago, about a defensive use with Xtreme Penetrator.

My experiments with Xtreme Defense have been promising, especially with their 380.

.380 Caliber - Lehigh Defense Xtreme Defense, Xtreme Penetrator & Federal HST - YouTube

 

[Arik]

Simple answer NO. most data comes from police shootings and they don't use that ammo. Outside of that this round is too new for any kind of real data. A one time use doesn't prove or disprove anything

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[richardw]

I have been using Lehigh Extreme Defense for quite some time in my EDC. Contrary to a post above it does not overpanetrate. It is the Lehigh Extreme Penetrator that is not suitable for SD because it will overpenetrate. I carry 380. I have seen every YouTube video about the Lehigh Ammo. In Lehigh produced video they mention the Penetrator was not designed for SD, but was intended for outdoor enthusiasts who camp and hike in areas with large and dangerous animals.

As far as I can determine the various calibers of Extreme Defense penetrate between 13 and 16 inches, keeping them within FBI preferences.

We are unlikely to ever get a report on the damage the bullet does when striking a human. But we can make realistic assumptions based upon gel test. In gel the wound channel created beats hollow points hands down. It’s penetration is consistent through barrier and barreirless. Unlike HP it will not clog up from remnants of denim, wood, metal. Also, if it leaves a greater wound channel in Gel, it is going to do that in a person. That to me is enough to carry it. HP bullets are fickle depending upon barriers, and they frequently do not flower our of 380 pocket pistols with short barrels. When that happens the result is an HP acting like FMJ - overpenetration.

Yes, it is pricey, but what is a superb defensive cartridge worth? It is worth more if it is better, and Extreme Defense is better.

 

[Whitwabit]

If you really want that type of information your best course of action might be to contact the company and ask. Manufacturers generally like to track and record information of significance, related to products they make.

But they will cover up any bad info or just not list it .. Money Talks and no bad info will be released !!!!

Independent testing is always a better barometer !!!

 

[ContinentalOp]

Do yourself a favor and Google "Dr. Roberts ammo list" and choose from the rounds he recommends.

 

[richardw]

Do yourself a favor and Google "Dr. Roberts ammo list" and choose from the rounds he recommends.

Roberts is an authority. However, he has not seen the damage a hydraulic round can do to a human body. His evaluations are pre hydraulic ammo. That means any evaluation has to be based upon the relative performance of rounds in bare gel and gel that is behind a variety of barriers.

Things change. The best is not the best forever.

 

[eb07]

I would rather carry pistol ammo that is bonded and proven in actual shootings because the pistol calibers are already under powered.

 

[richardw]

I would rather carry pistol ammo that is bonded and proven in actual shootings because the pistol calibers are already under powered.

I am not sure what “bonded and proven” means. Bonded implies surety, and I don’t think there is any surety from bullet manufacturers. Proven to do what? Put a hole in someone? Any bullet powered by the right power will do that.

If only field action proven technology was reliable, then we would still be riding horses.

 

[Arik]

The machine in the doctor's office that busts up kidney stones delivers more hydrostatic shock then a bullet. Don't see too many people dying from that!

If HS was a thing no one would be surviving rifle shots

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[richardw]

The machine in the doctor's office that busts up kidney stones delivers more hydrostatic shock then a bullet. Don't see too many people dying from that!

If HS was a thing no one would be surviving rifle shots

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Don’t see anyone dying from contacting the terminals of a 9v battery, but don’t try it on 220 volts coming into your house.

Results are relative to the amount of power. The kidney stone buster was designed to be low power compared to a bullet.

 

[eb07]

I am not sure what “bonded and proven” means. Bonded implies surety, and I don’t think there is any surety from bullet manufacturers. Proven to do what? Put a hole in someone? Any bullet powered by the right power will do that.

If only field action proven technology was reliable, then we would still be riding horses.

Bonded keeps separation from happening. Proven means used on the street. Clearly you are not up to speed on bullet tech and testing or you would not be defending novelty ammo like Lehigh.

 

[richardw]

Bonded keeps separation from happening. Proven means used on the street. Clearly you are not up to speed on bullet tech and testing or you would not be defending novelty ammo like Lehigh.

Thank you for uninformed criticism. Clearly you are not keeping up to date because if you did you would not call the ammo a novelty. Try research before you criticize that which you are skeptical about.

Oh, and if you can show me that you are an authority on ammo, I might listen to you.

 

[eb07]

Don’t see anyone dying from contacting the terminals of a 9v battery, but don’t try it on 220 volts coming into your house.

Results are relative to the amount of power. The kidney stone buster was designed to be low power compared to a bullet.

Can you point to some citations and proof that these novelty bullets work on the street against actual humans or has this just become a pissing match for your opinion?

I know my carry bullet the Speer gold dot has not only gone through extensive fbi testing but performs well on the street when placed where it needs to be hence why it is used by the nations largest police force. There are many data points and actual events that can prove that. No opinion here.

 

[richardw]

Can you point to some citations and proof that these novelty bullets work on the street against actual humans or has this just become a pissing match for your opinion?

I know my carry bullet the Speer gold dot has not only gone through extensive fbi testing but performs well on the street when placed where it needs to be hence why it is used by the nations largest police force. There are many data points and actual events that can prove that. No opinion here.

We could argue forever. No point. I stick with my choice and you will stick with yours. Oh, and don’t be seeing me as just trying to advance my opinion because if I am then you are too.

I am done in this thread.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Ya know.....I just got finished looking at pictures of a guy shot through the left eye with .380 ball ammo. Wasn't much left of the back of his skull. Don't know what more a Lehigh Defense bullet would have done.........

 

[Arik]

Don’t see anyone dying from contacting the terminals of a 9v battery, but don’t try it on 220 volts coming into your house.

Results are relative to the amount of power. The kidney stone buster was designed to be low power compared to a bullet.

Aaaand we're done

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