Requirements for Concealed Carry

[JohnSW]

Part of our law, to get a carry permit:

"(2) completion of a firearms safety or training course providing basic training in the safe use of a pistol and conducted by a certified instructor.

(b) Basic training must include:

(1) instruction in the fundamentals of pistol use;

(2) successful completion of an actual shooting qualification exercise; and

(3) instruction in the fundamental legal aspects of pistol possession, carry, and use, including self-defense and the restrictions on the use of deadly force."

 

[GaryS]

Show me which of your examples are specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights and I'll agree. Until then, I'll be an absolutist on the Second Amendment. Once you allow the Government to put restrictions on a right, you open the door to them continuously raising the bar until it is nigh on impossible to satisfy the requirements.

Once you agree to "reasonable" requirements, you've lost the ability to define what reasonable is.

OK, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I think qualifying with the gun (or type of gun) you plan to carry is reasonable.

Police officers have to qualify with their firearms. Retired officers have to qualify under LEOSA.

Pilots need training to fly, drivers need to pass a test and do a road test.

Realtors must pass a test and background check and take courses -- initially to get their license and then each time they renew they must do continuing education.

CPAs have tests.

I think requiring a training course and a qualification at the range is reasonable.

Of course we need to guard against "anti's" using qualifying as a way to ban CCW either by making it too expensive or unnecessarily burdensome.

 

[Cal44]

Show me which of your examples are specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights and I'll agree. Until then, I'll be an absolutist on the Second Amendment. Once you allow the Government to put restrictions on a right, you open the door to them continuously raising the bar until it is nigh on impossible to satisfy the requirements.

Once you agree to "reasonable" requirements, you've lost the ability to define what reasonable is.

Well, you can lose your liberty if you commit a crime and are put in jail.

You can lose your life if the crime is bad enough (e.g., murder).

You lose your protection from searches and seizure of your property with probable cause or because of a crime.

Your first amendment right to free speech is curtailed if you are in jail, or in the military (e.g., no bad mouthing the officers in your chain of command), you have information such a insider info on company results.

There are few, if any, absolute rights.

Dave

 

[GaryS]

None of which relate in the least to the use of the Second Amendment unless you violate a law.

Search and seizure are regulated by the 4th Amendment. Except under very narrow emergency or exigent circumstances, the police can't search your property willy nilly. In fact, SCOTUS reaffirmed that unanimously just the other day.

Well, you can lose your liberty if you commit a crime and are put in jail.

You can lose your life if the crime is bad enough (e.g., murder).

You lose your protection from searches and seizure of your property with probable cause or because of a crime.

Your first amendment right to free speech is curtailed if you are in jail, or in the military (e.g., no bad mouthing the officers in you chain of command), you have information such a insider info on company results.

There are few, if any, absolute rights.

Dave

 

[James&theGiant1911]

I took the NRA Pistol basics one class when I did my CCW. It was stuff I already knew but I got a cool certificate for completing the class. It was an extra 100 bucks iirc and it was kind of cool to get a certificate for pistol proficiency. Many CCW instructors also are NRA instructors, like a two for one.

 

[eb07]

How about requirements to post on the internet?