7shooter
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Red Eye Radio was discussing the deaths in MN by individuals who started out resisting arrest. It made me wonder if there were mandatory minimum sentences for resisting arrest might lives be saved.
Resisting Arrest
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When I use to charge someone with Resist Arrest, it was usually accompanied by a charge of Assault Police and Hinder Police; called "the Trifecta".
I once went to a Police shooting of a mentally ill male in South West Sydney. In that incident, the Officer yelled out "Taser, Taser, Taser" but shot the guy instead with her Glock 22. Google "Death of Adam Salter" for more.
I once went to a Police shooting of a mentally ill male in South West Sydney. In that incident, the Officer yelled out "Taser, Taser, Taser" but shot the guy instead with her Glock 22. Google "Death of Adam Salter" for more.
I think history has proven that mandatory minimum sentences aren't the answer to anything . . .
Folks who resist arrest aren’t usually considering the consequences.....they are under the influence, having a mental health episode or truly in a fight and flight mind set....no law on the books is going to alter their response to authorities.
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I think...
...that many people do it to give the police a hard time and set up a situation where they can make a mistake. When this happens they are converted from a criminal to a martyr.
...that many people do it to give the police a hard time and set up a situation where they can make a mistake. When this happens they are converted from a criminal to a martyr.
Is Not a Good thing to do. At least you will be arrested on another charge, often a more serious charge.
To the other extreme the resistor will generally wake up on a cold hard metal bench, and be very sore for next few days
Does anyone remember the expression someone caught a case of Kelitis?
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Faulkner
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From my experience it seems too many young people have never been told "no" in their life and being detained by law enforcement is a new and unfamiliar experience for them. Their parents don't tell them no with consequences, few teachers tell them no and have the ability to back it up, they're not taught in church because they don't go. But, for some reason, they all know their "rights" so they unwittingly put themselves in harms way when they think they can just walk away from breaking the law.
df06
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I don’t think that’s the answer.
There are laws against lots of things with various punishments. But people’s behavior in many cases is not deterred.
What confounds me is what a person is thinking when they are surrounded by armed police and they think “I can get out of this” if I run, flee in a car, or try to shoot my way out. How can that ever end in a positive way.
The issue is the upbringing, the first 18 years of ones life. That will make a huge difference.
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Puller
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The media is absolutely fueling the latest issue in MN. I watched an interview with the police chief who was on the scene in person and called it what it was, a riot, and members of the media challenged and chastised him for using the word "riot".
The media in this country is out of control and abusing the First Amendment.
The media in this country is out of control and abusing the First Amendment.
We have had this happen in the US as well, most recently a few days ago near Minneapolis.
It got me to thinking that perhaps tasers should not be made so that they feel like pistols. Perhaps make them so that they feel like flashlights. Put a pop up sight on them perhaps, if sights are needed.
Where are tasers typically carried? If on the belt next to one's pistol, perhaps putting them on the offside chest would help avoid the mistake.
billwill
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Based on stories you hear about attending Catholic school from former students, I would think that none of these 'resist arrest' people had Sister Catherine for a teacher. Nothing against anyone's religion here, just commenting of the effectiveness of the ole ruler on ones knuckles.
Good point about Tasers design being too much like their duty pistol.
The Police and Sheriff Officers seem to commonly carry their Taser on the gunbelt in crossdraw holster. As crossdraw carry of duty weapon is uncommon I wonder how often they have refresher training to practice drawing the Taser.
I recall the early flashlight design Tasers were big and bulky. They were not something to be worn on the duty belt for 8+ hours. I wonder if improvements have been made to make a smaller, comfortable weapon. Maybe go with a single shot weapon to reduce it’s size.
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All the LEOs I've seen with Tasers carried them cross draw on their offside just for that reason. Methinks some will still brain dump regardless in the heat of the moment.
jmr986
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Lol, it was Sister Nicolette for me. Wooden pointer across the knuckles. Can you imagine that happening now a days? Then you had to deal with your parents!
Aside from the lack of accountability the perps now how to play the game. Watched a video of an arrest where the officer had the BG on his stomach trying to handcuff him. The perp was trying to get his gun. Finally a citizen stepped in to help. All the while the perp was screaming “he’s killing me” and “I don’t want to die.” Naturally all on video. I don’t trust the media anymore. Heck, look what 60 minutes did with the DeSantis interview. It’s not about reporting facts it’s getting clicks and viewers. News is now the professional wrestling of journalism. Hope I didn’t offend any Hulk Hogan fans.
lawandorder
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Without the CERTAINITY of punishment there is no deterrent to crime.
Capital punishment cases usually see 30 to 35 years before implementation of sentence.
We do not need 50 different laws prohibiting certain behaviors!
One is enough if the violator is held accountable and if guilty punished.
Capital punishment cases usually see 30 to 35 years before implementation of sentence.
We do not need 50 different laws prohibiting certain behaviors!
One is enough if the violator is held accountable and if guilty punished.
WCCPHD
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There are two types of deterrence: general and specific. General deterrence is the effect punishment has on society. Specific is the effect deterrence has on the individual being punished.
Deterrence is based on three factors. To have deterrence the punishment must be swift, severe and certain.
Capital punishment is a specific deterrent as no one executed has ever committed another murder.
Capital punishment is NOT a general deterrent. While it is severe, it is far from certain. The chance of lightening striking is probably greater. It is also not swift in its implementation. That's why I'm for capital punishment in theory but against it in practice.
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A good friend who's a lieutenant with the OKC police department told me that the incentive to resist arrest is pretty high today. The officer has to get a little physical to subdue the person who's resisting (and sometimes inflicting pain on the officer) and it's pretty easy to bring up an accusation of police using too much force. If a lawsuit is filed the city has a policy that if it can be settled for under $40,000 they will settle right away and pay the perp instead of litigation which usually costs the city much more money.
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YkcorCal
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And there lays one of the major problems in today's litigious society. Greedy people KNOW they can extort money with zero fear of accountability.
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Resisting arrest is a misdemeanor in most places. What such laws really do is end the old common law justification of use of force to resist unlawful arrest.
This story struck a chord with me, and not because of the classic "nun with ruler" meme. While I won't disagree that more training for our police in general wouldn't be a bad thing (or for many other jobs, including my own past career as well), I have been wondering - where has the "training" for the civilians who deal with the police gone?
I seen literally hundreds of videos online of egotistic yet uneducated people arguing with the police over an innumerable number of obviously minor or contrived issues, being rude and confrontational for no real reason, deliberately and repeatedly lying, and much more - all in the name of fishing for a reaction to get more views for their videos. Has nobody today been taught that good manners get better results? Or that showing respect is more likely to get you treated with respect? Or if you want to argue about procedure or the law, do it in front of the judge in a courtroom and not on the side of the roadway at night?
It really makes me sad to see good manners - and good citizenship - be so completely lacking, and far too many people being far to proud of that lack in themselves!
Today, mainstream media and social media are the best sources for misinformation and disinformation. They appear to be little more than a propaganda tool for the elite agenda-driven power brokers, opportunists, and spineless elected representatives.
It looked obvious to me that the perp was making it very difficult to get the first cuff on his right wrist (resistance). When the other officer(s) attempted to assist, the resistance escalated.
On the side bar, those round pitch pipes and clickers can draw blood. i know.
On the side bar, those round pitch pipes and clickers can draw blood.
i know.
It's too bad the main stream media has no comments or criticisms of the people that resist, fight with, or run from the police. The police do something like 10 or 11 million arrests a year, and no occupation does 10 or 11 million of anything without some fraction of them going wrong. 'Don't like the long odds, perhaps 1 in a million, of an arrest going bad, then don't get arrested, and then your odds of having a deadly experience with a cop are so low you may as well say they're zero.
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Banishment is one very effective form of punishment that is not used very much. It works like this: You get convicted of a serious crime and you have to do your time in another state far from home. Criminals do not like this. It mostly prevents visitation from friends and relatives and the criminal is unable to strut around the prison and show his friends and family how "bad" he is. Instead, it puts them in an unfamiliar, uncomfortable area that is harder to get used to. To do this states far apart have to agree to swap their inmates. It's also harder for an inmate to set up a power base in the prison when he doesn't know anyone there. I read a study a while back that suggested banishment was very effective in preventing firearms related offenses after an inmate returns home.
While it's probably no longer PC, Chris Rock did a funny — but also true — skit on "how not to get your a** kicked by the police." It's on YouTube.
I tell my kids if stopped by the police, don't argue. Comply. Plenty of time later to hire a lawyer and dispute if necessary. Meanwhile, stay safe.
I think the police being on hair trigger, as it were, when confronting members of the public has much to do with the 2A, our freedom to own firearms in this country. The police can't know who is armed.
In Japan, where I lived for many years, I would occasionally see members of the public — punk kids, drunks, etc. — getting aggressive with the police, and the police being very restrained in their reactions. This initially astonished me. It made sense to me after reflecting that in Japan it is very, very rare for a member of the public to be armed.
I tell my kids if stopped by the police, don't argue. Comply. Plenty of time later to hire a lawyer and dispute if necessary. Meanwhile, stay safe.
I think the police being on hair trigger, as it were, when confronting members of the public has much to do with the 2A, our freedom to own firearms in this country. The police can't know who is armed.
In Japan, where I lived for many years, I would occasionally see members of the public — punk kids, drunks, etc. — getting aggressive with the police, and the police being very restrained in their reactions. This initially astonished me. It made sense to me after reflecting that in Japan it is very, very rare for a member of the public to be armed.
df06
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Raised catholic, but did not attend a catholic school. There was plenty of discipline at home. That’s where it starts.
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Watch the freak show masquerading as mainstream network TV for 10 minutes...all the answers are there.
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Stop. Period. Mike-drop.....
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What happened with me............
One afternoon I was going to a truck wash, going uphill on a 4 lane road, 70 km speed limit, I was at a red light, middle lane, transport beside me and two small cars in front, the two cars left on the green slower than the semi, but the hill slowed the semi to a crawl and the two cars finally got a head of him, I check the road behind and see that it’s clear and signal, step on it and pass the two cars, checking the rear again I see a black pickup following me doing the same thing, I still keep speeding up and signal back to the center lane, but then the lights go on it’s a police vehicle, I pull over and the cop asks if I know why I’m being stopped? Yup, I was speeding, he says ya, I asked how fast and am told 30 to 35 over.
Well I don’t have any comeback other than my story of out and see his truck behind me so speed up more to cut back in to let him go by, he asks how is your license? I say it’s clean, I don’t drink so no DUI, he then asks if I ever spent time, I says no being retired after 36 years with the BFD I had to keep my nose clean, he takes my license, goes to his truck and doesn’t take my registration and comes back in a bit and I’ve already tried to figure it it’s a 168.00 fine or a 196.00 fine, he hands back my card and says no paper today just keep it down, I said thanks and offered a fist bump which he did, keeping my yap shut and politely talking saved my day.
One afternoon I was going to a truck wash, going uphill on a 4 lane road, 70 km speed limit, I was at a red light, middle lane, transport beside me and two small cars in front, the two cars left on the green slower than the semi, but the hill slowed the semi to a crawl and the two cars finally got a head of him, I check the road behind and see that it’s clear and signal, step on it and pass the two cars, checking the rear again I see a black pickup following me doing the same thing, I still keep speeding up and signal back to the center lane, but then the lights go on it’s a police vehicle, I pull over and the cop asks if I know why I’m being stopped? Yup, I was speeding, he says ya, I asked how fast and am told 30 to 35 over.
Well I don’t have any comeback other than my story of out and see his truck behind me so speed up more to cut back in to let him go by, he asks how is your license? I say it’s clean, I don’t drink so no DUI, he then asks if I ever spent time, I says no being retired after 36 years with the BFD I had to keep my nose clean, he takes my license, goes to his truck and doesn’t take my registration and comes back in a bit and I’ve already tried to figure it it’s a 168.00 fine or a 196.00 fine, he hands back my card and says no paper today just keep it down, I said thanks and offered a fist bump which he did, keeping my yap shut and politely talking saved my day.
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