Resizing new cases

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Just bought 500 .44 spl cases from Starline. They are selling direct these days. Should I resize before I bell the cases? My loading is going to be with Missouri Bullets coated 240gr .430 Keiths, and 240gr .230 TCFPs, similar to cowboy bullet loads, except for a flat point. The load is going to be the Skeeter 7.5gr Unique for the Keiths, and 5.5 Unique for the TCFP's.

Note - I shot these exact loads (lubed instead of coated, but otherwise the same) with 240gr Keiths and 240 TCFP's over 30 years ago. Unique and Federal LPP's seem to have not changed much from the powder and primers I bought then.
 
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I've done it both ways over the years. A careful inspection of a few percent will tell you what you need to do.

Measure the inside diameter of the cases. If .425" or less, just run them through your expander die and skip the sizing process. 500 cases are a lot of cases to size, even with a carbide die.

The expander ball will also round out any cases that are slightly out of round.

It won't hurt to size them, but I've never seen a new and unfired straight wall revolver case from a reputable manufacture that needed sizing before expanding.
 
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I've done it both ways over the years.

Measure the inside diameter of the cases. If .425" or less, just run them through your expander die and skip the sizing process. The expander ball will also round out any cases that are slightly out of round.

It won't hurt to size them, but I've never seen an unfired and new straight wall case from a reputable manufacture that needed sizing before expanding.

I agree with NO need to do it!!!
 
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Sizing new cases

I have used many new Starline cases going back to the early 90s. They ship loose in a box and can easily be slightly deformed. I always give new cases a very light spray of Hornaday One-Shot and resize them. I highly recommend doing this step. Are you loading on a single stage press? If so, I recognize it seems an extra step but it's worth it.

Enjoy loading and shooting.
 
I usually wait until after the first firing of new brass to resize them and then length trim and maybe primer pocket and charge hole uniforming.
That way any dings, dents, out-of-round, etc. are blown out and the cases are way more uniform.
My experience with Starline brass is that they do not need sizing to give acceptable loads when brand new.
I usually use those first loads for defense practice and plinking.
The second and later loads are used for more serious load and accuracy development.
My carry ammo is usually factory but those I clone for practice and when a round becomes otherwise unobtainable.
I'd guess somewhere around 80% of all my loading and shooting is with the 44 S&W Special.
Have Fun!
 

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Most times I like to resize new brass but not because its poorly made but because it can be damaged in transit or while on the shelf. Straight wall cases are the exception IMO since you can usually see if the brass is out of round or damaged easier than with bottleneck rifle cases. Anything that seems suspicious you can drop into the cylinder of your gun before priming or loading just to be sure.
 
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We are all in this for various reasons but individual satisfaction is Shirley one of them.
The path to precision reloads has filled many books, articles, and posts.
One's approach to that is modified by one's equipment, mentality, and desired end result.
That leaves each one of us with a unique method that suits our circumstance.
Trying various equipment and methods has left me with the way that works for me.
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I always resize new brass … just one extra step. If the case is good resizing can be done with ease.
 
I debur and lightly champfer new brass
I concur.
Forgot about that part as it's been awhile since I got virgin brass.
It does accumulate over the years.
Sure wish the same was true for bullets, powder and primers.

Starline brass does need some clean-up at the mouth before the initial slight belling.
I usually also uniform and counter-sink the flash-hole at this time but see my above post.
That's just me.
Not sure many others do that.
 
I've been handloading since I was 12, so 45 years now. There are no hard and fast rules, you just have to consider the brass and the load.

As someone mentioned above , pistol brass and straight wall file brass can be damaged in shipping and have a number of cases that are out of round. Based on the percentage that are out of round and the overall condition of the brass I might size them all or I may just resize those that are out of round.

Even if the brass looks perfect it sometimes depends on what I intend to load it with. A .001" or .002" over size cast bullet will almost always have adequate neck tension, while a jacketed bullet may not.

With revolver loads you can roll crimp the bullet in the case to prevent the bullet from backing out under recoil, and initial sizing may not be necessary. Loading up a round or two and testing will tell you a lot more about what *you* need than asking on the internet. A heavy load in a light revolver will need more neck tension, a taper crimp or a roll crimp than a lighter load or a heavier load fired in a heavier revolver. If you plan to shoot the load in multiple revolvers test with the lightest weight revolver.

In contrast, with a semi auto round that headspaces on the mouth you are limited to a taper crimp and in that case sizing first will usually get you an undersized case with a wasp waist shaped profile that will prevent setback with a factory taper crimp. But once again you can load up a few rounds or dummy rounds and then load them from the magazine repeatedly to check for set back to see if an initial sizing is needed.

As someone also noted above, some brass arrives properly worked and ready to load, while other brass may need to be deburred and in some batches even trimmed to a consistent length. If the case is shaving lead or gilding metal off the bullet during seating you may need to deburr. Increasing the bell will solve the problem as well but it over works the case mouth and greatly shortens case life. With the exception of some soft or very sharp flat base cast bullets, if you are not actually crushing cases in the seating process, you have enough bell on the case.

If you are going to roll crimp the bullet, you need a consistent length to get a consistent roll crimp and if the brass isn't consistent in length, you need to trim it. Even if it is consistent, if you are going to mix that new brass into your general population of brass, you may need to trim it to a standard case length.

In general, straight wall brass doesn't grow in length appreciably over time (unless you are doing something strange or overloading the bejeezus out of it). I'll trim and deburr them when new and then run them until the neck splits, or in cases like the .45 Colt (and occasionally .38 Special) until they develop spider cracks in the side wall.

Short, straight wall cases like the .45 ACP that are not roll crimped will go forever unless you over bell the case mouth. Bell *just* enough to seat the bullet without crushing the case (less for jacketed bullets, a bit more for cast). Most folks bell way too much.

Similarly your revolver brass will last a lot longer if you don't roll crimp, or worse, over bell it and then roll crimp it. I reserve roll crimps for loads where:

- heavy loads and or light revolvers require a roll crimp to prevent the bullet from backing out under recoil and jamming the revolver; or

- for slow burning colloidal ball powders in magnum loads where I need a heavy roll crimp for better ignition and efficiency.

I generally don't use colloidal ball powders like 296 in my .357 magnum revolvers, particularly my shorter 2 1/2" and 3" revolvers as the heavy charge weight increases the recoil by about 40% compared to a faster burning powder like Unique and will only increase velocity maybe 25-50 fps. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze - or the significantly increased forcing cone erosion. A taper crimp is normally sufficient to prevent the bullet from backing out.

I will however use a slow burning colloidal ball powder like 296 in my .357 Magnum carbine and rifle loads where the velocity gain from the slower burning powder is much more pronounced. In this case a roll crimp isn't needed to prevent the bullet from backing out, but it does improve consistency and reduce the standard deviation in velocity.

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In short, there isn't a single right or wrong answer, you just have to consider the brass on hands how you plan to use it and whether it's worth the effort or not.

That differs as well. Once I switched to a Dillon 550B about 20 years ago, doing an initial sizing was zero extra effort compared to using a single stage or turret press. The question then was just whether to trim and/or deburr.
 
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It depends on how Anal-OCD you are and how much you enjoy piddling with reloading tools or hate piddling with reloading tools .
Being a OCD-Piddler my new cases get :
All trimmed to a consistant length .
Primer pockets and flash holes uniformed .
Size the case the depth of the bullet - to round out any dinged or dented during shipping .
Mouth deburring , lightly inside and out .
Necks expaned for bullet seating .

But I'm retired and have a lot of time on my hands and enjoy piddling with stuff ...
I say do as much or as little as you care to ... it's just a hobby and should be fun .
Gary
 
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