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Which do you think that Police should carry? I have built guns for LE for matches, One worked in DC and was in 6 shoot-outs and never empty his model 10. Now they carry up to 100 rounds on their belt, I think some are GUN-HO. To many games and TV shows with shoot-outs. New LE should have to carry a revolver for so many years, then they can go to the auto. I didn't write this to start a fuss, or out right WAR. Read this and think about it - Please. When I was a part time LE in a small town I had my 686 in the car and when I got out I took the old 94 Remington with me. Go to a Bar fight and just work the action on that old gun and everyone stopped.
 
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I think these days LEO's weighed down with so much gear and extreme threats need to carry the lightest high capacity handgun available. My retired LEO cousin never shot anyone even guns drawn on him. He told me he carried a M28 sold it for a 686 and then issued Glock 17 with SWAT carried M9. He still owns 686 , Glock and last time I seen him had bought a new M&P 15.
 
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Never having been a law enforcement officer, I can't give any practical experience, but here's my two cents worth.

I think we all have to admit that times are much, much different than when most of us were growing up. Respect for law enforcement, respect for parents, and overall respect for society's basic norms has pretty much gone out the proverbial window for not only the criminal element but for many of the millennials as well.

That being said, our LEO's are facing a whole different breed of cat than they were twenty years ago. As a result, it's probably in their best interest to be prepared for the worst. Sure, maybe they'll only need a few rounds, but on the other hand, they may not.

Like I said, just my two cents worth...and it probably isn't worth even that. :)
 
Respectfully, here's my opinion:

Today's police officers carry polymer semi-autos because it's the best option.

Easier to shoot well.

Faster to reload.

Higher capacity of ammo.

More high retention holster availability.

Less expensive.

Going from revolver to semi would be a waste of overall training time. Training is a precious commodity and there's no sense in a plan to change weapons that much mid career without a better reason.

The days of presenting a firearm at a bar fight or other scene to persuade people to stop are long over, unless there is a known good reason to believe deadly force is needed.

*Now there are some reasons why a revolver is better than a semi. The debate between the two will never be resolved on an internet forum. But for professional law enforcement, semi-auto has the definite advantage.
 
I personally think they should carry whatever they shoot and manipulate better under stress. I LOVE revolvers but they wouldn't be my first choice. Is a skilled person with a revolver at a disadvantage? Probably not. When I got in to law enforcement in 92, 95% of my department were carrying a variety of semi autos. I carried a Glock 17 with a total of 52 rounds. I don't think that was excessive at all. Having too much ammo never occurred to me. In these days, you couldn't pay me enough to wear a badge!


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When you hunt tree rats, who will come back with more ammo and more rats? Someone that uses a single shot or the one with a auto?

Single shot wins every time, when you have more on you the less you worry about it. When the man got shot the other day the LEO shot three times - hit the man 2 times and a car with a family in it one time. Poor trainning. I get fired up myself by myself to easy, what I wrote was food for though.
 
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Neanderthal that I am, I think it's the shooter and not the gun that count. Charlie Askins, Jim Cirillo, Bill Jordan and many others whose names are unknown to us dispatched many a bad guy with revolvers-and in 38 Special no less. I read a number of articles in the gun magazines where LEO firearm instructors said large capacity magazines encouraged a "spray and pray" mentality and one emphasized that he forced new trainees to group.
And I firmly believe that if you feel the weight when you are "packing iron" then you need to start "pumping iron."
 
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I don't think having the LEOs with the least experience, mandated to be under armed in comparison to their peers, would be a good idea.
 
Respectfully, here's my opinion:

Today's police officers carry polymer semi-autos because it's the best option.

Easier to shoot well.

Faster to reload.

Higher capacity of ammo.

More high retention holster availability.

Less expensive.

Going from revolver to semi would be a waste of overall training time. Training is a precious commodity and there's no sense in a plan to change weapons that much mid career without a better reason.

The days of presenting a firearm at a bar fight or other scene to persuade people to stop are long over, unless there is a known good reason to believe deadly force is needed.

*Now there are some reasons why a revolver is better than a semi. The debate between the two will never be resolved on an internet forum. But for professional law enforcement, semi-auto has the definite advantage.

I would rather see cops spending more time training and less time shooting......When you read some of the news stories about 30 rounds being fired at a single subject who may or may not have been armed, you have to wonder what in the hell is going on. Perhaps carrying a revolver with only six rounds would provide a better incentive to use what they had more wisely. While a vast majority of cops are good, level headed people, their ranks also attract a lot of maniacs.
 
Many LEO's are not gun guys. The needs of a department in rural areas and urban are very different. I believe that each department should have the personnel on hand to determine their needs. I believe in an ideal world that those folks are rarely management. In a wonderful world management would form a committee and listen to their findings. I think such a committee would rarely find for a revolver in today's world due to costs, firepower, training ex military and wanting to be seen as modern.

I own revolvers three to one over autos and if I went to work as a Police Officer I would happily carry Tupperware.
 
I have considered myself a wheel gun guy since I was a small kid shagging brass at IPSC matches for my dad and a few "notable" shooters just hoping to use my father's Model 36 in a steel plate side shoot as a reward... dad was busy putting a Model 66 thru it's paces...

Barney Fife made it thru his entire career with just 1 round... but that was fantasy in Mayberry... today... plastic fantastic with the most ammo that could be carried reasonably is the proper way to go...
just make training a major priority... both shooting and not shooting...
 
I think Leo's should pick & buy their own weapons. In the 70's the county I lived in new deputies were given a gun allowance w/ only a stipulation of .38 special or larger. One older deputy carried a .45 Colt SA. He usually scored highest on qualification day. He was in shoot outs twice & sent 3 who were trying to kill him to their graves... the last shoot out 2 idiots came after him w/ auto pistols & put a lot of lead in the air & hit nothing, he fired once @ each. DRT.
 
There is no turning back the clock. Doesn't matter which is better. What matters to government, big and small, is cost. Cheap plastic will continue to win until someone comes along and figures out a way to make a service pistol out of something even cheaper. :cool:
 
I'm not a LEO. I am an armed security officer. The light weight polymer with advantages in weather do sound nice to me. I'm a huge fan of the M&P-10/64, and I have a nice 64. (Personal / Not my duty weapon) I get where the OP is coming from; but, as they say, "Situation dictates tactics". Things have changed so much. What's normal now? Do officers really need 45 rounds on their belt? There is so much hostility toward officers right now. May God bless and protect everyone with a badge. At this time in current-events. My vote goes to a M&P9, of what ever caliber you like.
 
A culture of violent resistance has been created by a collection of factors, likely starting with the Garner (Tenn. v. Garner) decision, which came out when I was in law school. It was an unintended consequence, but that does not make it not a consequence.

As such, the training and equipping of officers has had to change. Remember first and foremost that a handgun is a secondary weapon, carried for convenience, not effectiveness. Those old time gunfighters did not use handguns when they expected a problem - they used rifles and shotguns if they could. Same here.

The complexities of societal expectations have resulted in a lowering of the standards for shooting, both decision making and physical skill. According to research by the USMC referred to by Pat Rogers when teaching, shooting skill shows deterioration at 7 days. What we see with better judgment training is that officers shoot sooner and more, even with better precision. That result scares the typical manager (as opposed to leader).

Policing is regional. If NYC, backup is often flooding in at 15 seconds or not much more. I've worked in place where 10-30 minutes was foreseeable, and there are places that are even worse. In addition, as we learn more about the performance improvements from mounted lights and red dots, which are made to work more easily with pistols, they are less and less optional.

Would I carry a revolver under some circumstances? Yes. When I started, I did - because that's what I had. Is a good G17 or M&P 9mm a far better choice almost all the time? Yes.
 
Which do you think that Police should carry? I have built guns for LE for matches, One worked in DC and was in 6 shoot-outs and never empty his model 10. Now they carry up to 100 rounds on their belt, I think some are GUN-HO. To many games and TV shows with shoot-outs. New LE should have to carry a revolver for so many years, then they can go to the auto. I didn't write this to start a fuss, or out right WAR. Read this and think about it - Please. When I was a part time LE in a small town I had my 686 in the car and when I got out I took the old 94 Remington with me. Go to a Bar fight and just work the action on that old gun and everyone stopped.
What's a 94 Remington?
 

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