Ruger Security Six

I like my 686 but have always admired the Ruger Security Six. The Security Six is closer to the K frame size, which I like better. Fits my hands better. I currently own a 686 but would gladly trade it for a Security Six just because the 686 is a little heavy for me. The other day, I handled a Model 10 and decided that a K frame sized revolver is about perfect for me. I would not feel under-gunned with .38 Spcl +P ammo. That being said, my 686 has the 4 inch barrel. Probably one of the finest revolvers ever made, it just doesn't fit my hands as well. If it were a short barrel, round butt 686, it would be more amenable to my needs.
 
Not bashing Ruger Revolvers and to me they "have their place" in our hobby as less expensive, more crude type of Revolvers and are just not in the same league as the older S&W's which are much more refined. Yes they work, yes they get the job done but they are clunky, rough, have a less conventional take down and are mostly purchased as a less expensive alternative to a Smith or Colt. If all you have to spend on a Revolver is strictly a fixed amount and all you can get for that amount is a Ruger - yup, it will work.

As far as comparing a Ruger Security Six against a Smith 686 (vintage version) - the Smith is way on top IMHO. Just my personal opinion and YMMV.

I looked at on line vendors just now and noted that Bud's gun shop has stainless steel GP100s selling for $663 in stainless steel. Bud's also has stainless steel 686's in the same configuration selling for $741.

That's only a $78 difference, yet you're making Ruger sound like Rossi or Taurus with your "crude", "clunky", "rough", "less expensive", "not in the same class as S&W" language.

I've own or have owned four Ruger DA revolvers:
- 3" SP101 in .357 magnum;
- a 4.25" SP101 in .22LR (that I returned to the factory and then sold the replacement because it was still ****);
- a 4" Service six in .357 Magnum;
- a 2 3/4" Speed Six in .357 Magnum; and
- a 6" Security Six in .357 Magnum.

In comparison I have a few more S&W revolvers and I'm obviously biased toward S&W and in particular pre-lock model number S&Ws:

- 5" Victory Model
- 4" pre Model 10
- 6" K-22
- 3" Model 13-3
- 6" Model 14-3
- 4" Model 15-3
- 6" Model 17-4
- 6" Model 19-4
- 4" Model 19-5
- 1 7/8" Model 36 (no dash)
- 1 7/8" Model 36-10
- 2 1/8" Model 60-14
- 3" Model 60-15
- 6" Model 66-2
- 2 1/2"Model 66-4
- 2 1/2" Model 686-5

All but three of the above revolvers are Model number revolvers, all but three are "pre-lock" and most are "pre-MIM".

I agree with you that the GP100 is "clunky", but then so is the full underlug 686 series, compared to the earlier Model 66. The only 686 I own is a 2 1/2" where the difference between its full under lug barrel and a shrouded ejector rod 2 1/2" barrel Model 66 is minimal.

I also agree that Ruger fire control parts from the Six series forward have been larger than S&W fire control parts, and they have always been MIM parts. But they are very durable and looking at my S&W and Ruger revolvers in total, the Ruger trigger pulls on average really are comparable on average to the S&W triggers.

Quality wise, the old Ruger Six series were on par reliability wise to the S&Ws of the era. The S&Ws of the era had a higher level of polish, but the Rugers were built like tanks and almost never broke. The Six series certainly had a stronger frame and forcing cone than the K frame S&Ws.

The current GP series frame is still stronger than the side plated L frame revolvers. Ruger's take down is different, but it was done that way to allow for a stronger frame with no side plate. Ruger also offset the bolt in the frame, and the notches in the cylinder so that they do not create a thin spot on the cylinder, something you don't see with the S&Ws until you get to the 686.

In short, you can't accurately state that Ruger DA revolvers are not in the same class as S&W revolvers, and you certainly can't dismiss them as cheap, or something usable for the teaming masses, but not appropriate for the more refined shooter who obviously should be shooting a S&W.

They are in the same class, but simply reflect slightly different design objectives.

In terms of quality, IMHO neither S&W nor Ruger makes a revolver to the same quality they did in the past.
 
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The Ruger " 6 " series are nice enough revolvers . The biggest problem is that if you need parts , Ruger does not support that series anymore . So if I owned one I would take it a little easy on it , no hot loads and it will out last the owner . Regards, Paul

FWIW: I had a Wolff spring set in a security six for years. The trigger spring broke a few (maybe 6-8) years ago and Ruger's customer service folks sent me a new set without charge.

Regarding hot loads, I think they will outlast most owners, hot loads or not.* The one I bought in 1982 has had thousands of hot loads through it, including 140gr at 1550fps and 110gr at (estimated, not chronographed) 1750. I don't use them that way anymore, but the old revolver doesn't show any signs of the previous mistreatment.

*I'm at an age now where most things that I buy will not wear out. :-)

-Mark
 
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Sights and hammers,
Security Six = adjustable rear sight.
Service Six = fixed sights.
Speed Six = fixed sight and bobbed hammer.

Thank you!

Is the service six DAO or can they all be used single action (other than the bobbed version)
 
Thank you!

Is the service six DAO or can they all be used single action (other than the bobbed version)

Most Service Sixes were delivered as SA/DA revolvers. However some police departments (liked NYPD) ordered them with bobbed hammers for DAO use - although there were no internal changes, just the bobbed hammer. The idea was that the de-spurred hammer would prevent officers from cocking the pistol and using it in SA mode. In practice, officers with these "DAO" revolvers, would still stage the trigger by applying pressure until the bolt dropped into the cylinder and just as many suspects got prematurely shot - probably more. You can make a rule against it, but it is pretty hard to enforce.

Similarly, the Security, Service/Speed Six revolvers were all designed as .357 Magnum revolvers but some departments ordered them chambered in .38 Special. Some of those departments actually shot standard pressure or +P pressure .38 Special. Other departments shot .38 +P+ loads that approached .357 Magnum performance, but still allowed them to claim, for PR purposes, that the Department issued .38 Specials, rather than .357 Magnums.

To make it confusing however, the 150 series Security Six came in both fixed sight and adjustable sight models. The fixed sight Security Six became the "Police Service Six", and later just the "Service Six", while the adjustable model continued as the "Security Six".

The fixed sight version of the Security Six was offered as some departments and some officers felt that adjustable sights were potentially breakable and thus preferred fixed sights. Thus the name "police Service Six".

The 2 3/4" round butt version of the Service Six was called the "Speed Six". What makes a Speed Six a Speed Six is the round butt, fixed sights and 2 3/4" barrel. The Speed Six got fixed sights as they were lower profile and the intended market was for concealed carry where there was more potential for fixed sights to get hung up.

Just to make it confusing however, you will find some square butt 2 3/4" Security Sixes out there, as well as some 2 3/4" Square butt Service Sixes (but they are both uncommon). The square butt keeps them from being a Speed Six.

Then of course there are no doubt some of those square butt 2 3/4" Speed Sixes and Service Sixes that had metal removed to create the round butt profile. So a modified 2 3/4" Service Six will look like a Speed Six but have Service Six markings, while a 2 3/4" Security Six with a rounded butt will look like an adjustable sight Speed Six, but it's not.

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Below top to bottom are a stainless 6" Security Six, a blued 4" Police Service Six, and a stainless 2 3/4" Speed Six.

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I bought a 6" Sec-6 when they were first out. I agree it was best DA Ruger
put out. I shot it for a summer and traded it off. I've had a couple since
that I got used, 4" but was firmly into S&Ws and traded them off. It is a
apples and oranges deal. I don't buy Ruger handguns anymore but I still
like the old models. I can say I never had one to fix and the Sec-6 is a top
shelf revolver that is highly dependable and durable.
 
AS FAR AS I KNOW

Thank you!

Is the service six DAO or can they all be used single action (other than the bobbed version)
ALL can be fired SA or DA except some that may have been altered for DAO???

AFAIK "some" may have been altered for DAO.
Even the bobbed hammers can be thumbed back (there's enough metal left). I can only speak for MY 2 3/4" speed 6 which has a full hammer, round butt, fixed sights, and a smooth trigger. Ser # 160-850** PS heads up, when removing the grips there is a pin that holds the hammer spring under tension, IT IS EASILY LOST! :D Good news is just about anything that fits in the hole will work. :)
 
The Ruger Service Six in DAO for the NYPD was not able to be thumb cocked, spur hammer or not. Neither was the GPNY that replaced it or the SPNY off duty. Cops did get good staging the trigger to lock up right before the hammer fell, but I highly doubt anybody did that in a real shooting. Qualifying at range? I know I did it.
 
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THAT STANDS TO REASON...

The Ruger Service Six in DAO for the NYPD was not able to be thumb cocked, spur hammer or not. Neither was the GPNY that replaced it or the SPNY off duty. Cops did get good staging the trigger to lock up right before the hammer fell, but I highly doubt anybody did that in a real shooting. Qualifying at range? I know I did it.

CAN'T BE THUMB COCKED? :confused: MAYBE THAT'S WHY it's called DOUBLE ACTION ONLY. :D
 
CAN'T BE THUMB COCKED? :confused: MAYBE THAT'S WHY it's called DOUBLE ACTION ONLY. :D

I know that. Go back To post 47. Somebody posted that The DAO NYPD revolvers only had a spurless hammer and no internal changes from the DA/SA revolvers. Like it was no different than grinding a spur off a DA/SA revolver and if you started the trigger pull, you could grab the hammer and continue the manual thumb cocking. That was not the case. Staging the trigger can be done with either DAO or DA/SA revolvers.
 
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Ruger Security Six revolvers are my favorite medium framed revolver. Pictured are my Ruger Security Six Series 150 - made before the "billboard" was engraved into the barrel, and my Ruger Security Six stainless steel Series 151 that was a Puerto Rico police trade in. The Series 151 revolver came with the Rogers synthetic grips which fit my hands well, but aren't a lot of good for absorbing recoil.

Regards,

Dave
 

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My first .357 was a 4" blue Speed Six.
It had the best action of any DA revolver I've EVER shot.
True, a PO had an action job done.
Still, my 586 had an action job prior to my ownership of it, and the Ruger put it to shame.
Now, my 586 is no slouch. FAR from it. It's a very sweet shooter.
Fantastic action.
BUT, the Ruger was smoother and had a lot lighter DA pull.
If you twirled it like an SA revolver, you'd hear "click, click, click, click, click, click, as it cycled the action.
Yet, it NEVER misfired. Not once in the thousands of rounds I put through it.
I don't know how it's possible, because the DA was so light.
I've been kicking myself for selling it for the last 25 years.
My GP100 just isn't the same. It's good, but nothing like the Speed6

At least I haven't sold my 586.
And, I do love that L frame goodness.
 
IDK, CAN'T SAY.

I know that. Go back To post 47. Somebody posted that The DAO NYPD revolvers only had a spurless hammer and no internal changes from the DA/SA revolvers. Like it was no different than grinding a spur off a DA/SA revolver and if you started the trigger pull, you could grab the hammer and continue the manual thumb cocking. That was not the case. Staging the trigger can be done with either DAO or DA/SA revolvers.

NO IDEA what modifications some officers may or may not have made, especially to off duty weapons. I'm NOT a cop so no expert here, but as I recall/witnessed many of the NYPD seemed to be big on S&W's, not that they were the only brands, but a majority, PRE SEMI AUTO & COMBAT TUPPERWARE.
 
NO IDEA what modifications some officers may or may not have made, especially to off duty weapons. I'm NOT a cop so no expert here, but as I recall/witnessed many of the NYPD seemed to be big on S&W's, not that they were the only brands, but a majority, PRE SEMI AUTO & COMBAT TUPPERWARE.

I’m retired NYPD. During the revolver years, it was Colt or S&W, but Colts stopped being authorized probably early 70’s or even 60’s. From at least 1980, the two choices were the Ruger said or S&W model 10. Cops had to buy their own guns and the Ruger was a bit cheaper, so they were often chosen. Smith was more common but Ruger wasn’t rare. When the switch to DAO happened in the late 80’s, the Service Six was now spurless hammer stainless and the Model 10 went away in favor of the Model 64 in DAO. When Ruger stopped making the Six guns, the GPNY (DAO version of GP100) and off duty SPNY (DAO SP101) replaced them.

The only modifications allowed were changing grips, and even those were regulated. The Smiths could only wear Pachmayr’s with the little window on the bottom so you could read the serial number.

What I’m saying is that the DAO only guns were not simply standard guns with the hammer spur ground off and no other internal changes. They were incapable of being fired in single action at all. Staging the gun is not the same as firing SA, and I highly doubt any real street shooting (which are rare to begin with. Less than 1/10 of 1% of cops fire their weapon at all), was the result of an attempt to stage the hammer for a more precise shot.
 
I know that. Go back To post 47. Somebody posted that The DAO NYPD revolvers only had a spurless hammer and no internal changes from the DA/SA revolvers. Like it was no different than grinding a spur off a DA/SA revolver and if you started the trigger pull, you could grab the hammer and continue the manual thumb cocking. That was not the case. Staging the trigger can be done with either DAO or DA/SA revolvers.

Actually, I never implied the hammer could be grabbed at all - and who would do that? And for what purpose? To fire it SA?

I also stated that they could still be staged - and you are in 100% agreement that both SA/DA and DAO revolvers can be staged.

And yes, the only internal difference was the hammer, that however is not the same as saying the only difference with the hammer was a ground off spur.

Let's not be putting words in people's mouths.
 
Reaching behind a partially cocked hammer and pulling it the rest of the way is easy, and often done. I have used many no-spur hammers on non-DAO revolvers and done this method to get a single action shot. It's not a big deal and easily manipulated. I can't think of any other reason for S&W to have placed serrations on the top of the spurless hammers of many of their handguns over the years.
As to the round butt service six, it's a real animal.
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