patsfan1281
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And so it begins...here comes a battle.. Lets see how long it takes for russian to try and sieze part of ukraine back..
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Russia approves use of force in Ukraine
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They don't have to take the country....
They can just make sure that whoever ends up in power is pro-Moscow.
They can just make sure that whoever ends up in power is pro-Moscow.
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patsfan1281
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Before that happens...i am not sure the pro-EU don't go down without a battle.
It's unfortunate...1/2 the country wants to change..and progress with the other parts of the world.
The other half want to stay stagnant with Russia and decline
But the EU will not lift a finger to support them,they prefer submission to struggle, tyranny to liberty.
"It's just their nature, son."
"It's just their nature, son."
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The EU isn't a military organization, right? NATO would be the organization for the job. WW3!!
CAJUNLAWYER
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And we've got just the battle tested war time president for it!
Putin on the ritz...
Russia will annex the Crimea, no doubt. With their naval base there and a 90% Russian population in that area that's a no-brainer. Whether or not he grabs the whole country is unclear as yet, but I wouldn't put it past him. Just "securing national interests", y'know?
And of course, we (the US), will give him a very, very stern lecture. That should square things away...
Putin loves being a macho guy, thumbing his nose at the US and EU is nothing new. He controls most the oil going into the EU as well, so don't expect much out of them.
Russia will annex the Crimea, no doubt. With their naval base there and a 90% Russian population in that area that's a no-brainer. Whether or not he grabs the whole country is unclear as yet, but I wouldn't put it past him. Just "securing national interests", y'know?
And of course, we (the US), will give him a very, very stern lecture. That should square things away...
Putin loves being a macho guy, thumbing his nose at the US and EU is nothing new. He controls most the oil going into the EU as well, so don't expect much out of them.
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I'm sure Putin is quaking in his boots over Pres. Obama's
warning.
warning.
Gunslinger808
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Well, considering Ukaine isn't a full member of NATO thanks to German Chancellor Merkel, there's really not much we can do.
Add to that the fact that Ukraine signed a lease agreement with Russia for the Black Sea port of Sevastopol till 2042 for natural gas rights and it's really a matter for the international courts.
It looks like Russia will end up annexing the Crimea with nothing more than strong letters of comdemnation aimed at them.
It'd be nice to set Putin back as the Ukraine is overwhelmingly in support of pro West choices, but short of highly antagonistic intervention (read military intervention) there's really not much we can do.
Add to that the fact that Ukraine signed a lease agreement with Russia for the Black Sea port of Sevastopol till 2042 for natural gas rights and it's really a matter for the international courts.
It looks like Russia will end up annexing the Crimea with nothing more than strong letters of comdemnation aimed at them.
It'd be nice to set Putin back as the Ukraine is overwhelmingly in support of pro West choices, but short of highly antagonistic intervention (read military intervention) there's really not much we can do.
You got that right.
. We will not be going to war against Russia. Russia knows this, and will do what it pleases in its backyard affairs. It's a tough world out there...
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patsfan1281
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US and Russia will never get in a war. We don't like each other..but it would be the end of half the world or more if we did.
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Merkel isnt exactly known for doing the smart thing--the above is a prime example.
The E U could exert some pressure. Not everything is military. Reagan didn't have to invade to bring the USSR to heel. But then, we just stopped missile defense in Poland, so they're next. I'm sure the lovers of dictatorships here in US are loving this dog and pony show.
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You got that right.
But yet, the liberals cannot see that no matter how much is presented.
Putin has always wanted a return to communism and the Soviet Union-since day one. He's nothing but a KGB thug.
feralmerril
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Well, just now on FOX they said Russia recalled their ambassador to the USA. Thats NEVER a good sign! I guess we scared them huh?
My grandparents both came from the Ukraine just before and after 1900. They were germans that had homesteaded in the Ukraine around 1830`s.
Some went back on a visit many years later and the people had even stold all the german gravestones to use in fondations for houses and barns. My grandparents would have been annilated had they stayed.
They are or at least used to be a rough vicious people. I had a great uncle who was drafted into the russian army there about in 1909. His sister, my grandmother lost her 1st husband there and she, one infant son and her brother fled together here. My grandpa had came over from the same area about 10 years earlier, had just lost his wife and had 6 kids he had to raise. They married and dad was the first of 10 more! That = 17! I heard many rough storys of the area. They have a very bloody history over there. I heard my family lost people over there in wars. I know grandma lost siblings there.
My grandparents both came from the Ukraine just before and after 1900. They were germans that had homesteaded in the Ukraine around 1830`s.
Some went back on a visit many years later and the people had even stold all the german gravestones to use in fondations for houses and barns. My grandparents would have been annilated had they stayed.
They are or at least used to be a rough vicious people. I had a great uncle who was drafted into the russian army there about in 1909. His sister, my grandmother lost her 1st husband there and she, one infant son and her brother fled together here. My grandpa had came over from the same area about 10 years earlier, had just lost his wife and had 6 kids he had to raise. They married and dad was the first of 10 more! That = 17! I heard many rough storys of the area. They have a very bloody history over there. I heard my family lost people over there in wars. I know grandma lost siblings there.
Bkreutz
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I'm waiting for him to wave a piece of paper in the air declaring "Peace in our time"
Oh wait, I must be thinking about some other time period (1938).
Or: "I'm not going to send American boys to a country 9 or 10 thousand miles overseas......" 1963
Or: "He kept us out of war" 1916
Or: "mission accomplished" 2003
Or: "we have a red line..."2013
Or: "He kept us out of war" 1916
Or: "mission accomplished" 2003
Or: "we have a red line..."2013
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Moonman
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Time to PUSH the STAR WARS initiative?
Remember when he told Putin's man "wait till after the election "
Steve W
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As much as I dislike the present administration and the stupid statement by the president, reality is there is next to nothing the US or NATO can actually do in this situation.
Even if Ukraine was a full member of NATO, Article 5 does not automatically mean war with all of NATO. Nations can request help from other members, but it does not bind all members to go to war. It is still a coalition of the willing.
Next, consider the logistics of trying to stop something going on in Crimea. NATO forces would have to stage from Turkey or Romania and then fight their way across the Black Sea to Crimea. Anybody think Turkey wants to make the Russians angry by letting NATO stage from there?
With Russian air bases and SAM coverage over the area, forget about air superiority any time soon. Without air superiority, no western military moves anywhere.
Economically, well, would Europe decide to stop buying natural gas from Russia (one of their primary suppliers) and let their people get cold? The political fallout would be worse from the people getting uncomfortable than it would be to let Russia annex Crimea or simply install a pro-Russian parliament in an ethnic Russia region.
As much as I'd like to see Putin put back in his box, reality is there isn't much the world can do about it.
Even if Ukraine was a full member of NATO, Article 5 does not automatically mean war with all of NATO. Nations can request help from other members, but it does not bind all members to go to war. It is still a coalition of the willing.
Next, consider the logistics of trying to stop something going on in Crimea. NATO forces would have to stage from Turkey or Romania and then fight their way across the Black Sea to Crimea. Anybody think Turkey wants to make the Russians angry by letting NATO stage from there?
With Russian air bases and SAM coverage over the area, forget about air superiority any time soon. Without air superiority, no western military moves anywhere.
Economically, well, would Europe decide to stop buying natural gas from Russia (one of their primary suppliers) and let their people get cold? The political fallout would be worse from the people getting uncomfortable than it would be to let Russia annex Crimea or simply install a pro-Russian parliament in an ethnic Russia region.
As much as I'd like to see Putin put back in his box, reality is there isn't much the world can do about it.
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