S&W 22a some observations and issues.

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I purchased a 22a (5.5") a couple of months ago. Coincidently, two instructors at a local range each bought one within a week or two of my purchase. We have compared notes and shot each others guns and our experiences were very similar.

1. Sighting - all of the guns out of the box shot high and I mean very high. At the same time, they we very well centered horizontally. It took a lot of clicks, time and ammo to get them to shoot at where they were pointed. I should add that we didn't bench the guns, but we passed them back and forth and in the end the guns shot consistently, regardless of which of the three of us was shooting it.

2. Ammo - Out of the box, they were finicky as could be - but they had different diets. My gun, for example liked the cheapest junk out there (like thunderbolt), and just refused to fire or eject consistently anything with a jacket on it. One of the other guy's guns did just the opposite, all it would eat was jacketed ammo. And then, at about 700-1,000 rounds all three guns seemed to adjust and shoot with almost anything we put in them. I'm using jacketed target loads now without anything but very occasional problems.

3. Magazines - Each of us had the base plate of one of our two magazines pull off. In trying to reassemble them, we found that the body of the magazine had a defect so that the base could not be reattached as designed. In examining the magazine(s), they seem to be very cheaply constructed (sort of crappy looking - especially when put along side the mags from my Mark III, or even those of other S&W guns).

4. Service - About six weeks ago I called S&W about the problem I had with one of my mags. The person I spoke to was very cordial. He told me that there had been problems with some of them and that they would be sending me a free replacement - they didn't want the old mag back. He even gave me an order number. After six weeks passed, I called customer service again, they checked my order number and told me that I was in the system but the part was "back ordered". I asked if there was any estimate as to when the mag would be available and was told that they didn't know if it was even in the manufacturing cue at that time. Asking if six months was a realistic time target, I was told that they couldn't be sure. Wow, this isn't an antique gun - one would think that S&W was capable with better service. My past experience is that they provide high quality stuff and give excellent service. I can't figure this one out. I went on the internet to look for mags and they are all priced very high for the toy like thing it appears to be (low twenties to the high thirties).

I should add that now that the gun has been broken in and sighted, it is a terrific shooter - easily as good as my Mark. I am assuming that my experience is not common, but since at least two others have had the same experiences, that there may be more of us out there. I'd appreciate any feed back that anyone has to give.
 
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Ironically, I had to raise my 22A's rear sight but then, I shoot at 25 yards using NRA 25-yard targets and employ a 6:00 hold.

The only ammo I have ever fired in mine has been copper-plated, primarily CCI MiniMags. It's never malfunctioned.

I think they are a great gun for the money. Mine is a Talo edition with some black and polished areas and nicer wood grips, so it looks good too.

Ed
 
I can tell you that I spoke with the factory about a month ago and was told S&W is moving production and repair around. Repair is moving out of Houlton to another facility. I was told they hope to get caught up in about 6 months but that was a guestimate. My guess is your timetable is directly related to that situation.
 
Thanks Slidemuzik - that makes sense. Keep my fingers crossed.
 
I've had pretty good luck with the 22As' that have passed my way. One thing that has come up is light strikes, found that the firing pin stamping had rough edges on one side and a quick stoning usually took care of that. There was one with a mag catch problem related to the wood grip but otherwise all have functioned fine and shoot about everything they been fed.
 
My 22A loved Thunderbolts, CCI mini mags, Fiocchi, Winchester super X, Wildcats and even the bulk stuff but, it absolutely hated the Remington bulk golden bullets.
On that note...........if you can find any, Fiocchi 22LR is some of the cleanest, most consistent shooting ammo I've ever used. After 500 rounds, there was barely any visible residue and cleaning went quickly.

The only real issue I had with the pistol was where the mag release is located. I accidentally dropped the mag numerous times while shooting, because of the way I gripped it, I suppose. Other than that, I loved the way it performed and how easy it was to break down for cleaning.
 
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I have fire Fiocchi in either 9mm or .40 - maybe both - haven't seen it in .22, but I am going to seek some. Clean .22 lr? worth a try. As I said, my 22a, now that it's sighted, shoots well and has a solid feel. My only real complaint is the mag(s). And, I'm surprised that Smith hasn't been able to replace the defective one - The gun itself hasn't been out of production that long.
 
I have fire Fiocchi in either 9mm or .40 - maybe both - haven't seen it in .22, but I am going to seek some. Clean .22 lr? worth a try. As I said, my 22a, now that it's sighted, shoots well and has a solid feel. My only real complaint is the mag(s). And, I'm surprised that Smith hasn't been able to replace the defective one - The gun itself hasn't been out of production that long.

I have 1 50 round box left of the Fiocchi and wish I could find some more. It doesn't show a bullet weight on the box though. It just says "High Velocity". All I know is that it's VERY consistent. Our local indoor pistol range has distances from 7 feet out to 50 feet and I've always had good groupings at any distance with the Fiocchi ammo.
 
High Left is very common on a new gun No matter what make or model it is.You also have to remember to train your wrist and grip for a new gun as well which will cause a High Left shooting pattern also. I have also owned a 22A-1 which was a tack driver for me. Pretty hard to beat for the price. I put around 20,000 rounds thru it before I dealt on my M41. Its still out there on its 3rd owner since me and firing great.
 
Actually my puppy didn't fire either right or left - it just fired high - and remember, two other guys, side by side, NRA instructors, having the same experience with their out of the box 22A. All that being said - a little bit of sighting and all three guns are shooting very well. I may not exactly be pounding nails, but I can assure you, that it's not the gun's fault - Still some very nice 1-1.5" groupings at 25 yards.
 
For $35 (32.21 with dealer pricing), I would just buy one from Brownell's instead of waiting forever. They even have 7.5% off right now. Use code FRK at checkout.

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Suggestion well taken - I was able to find some on line for $25 including shipping (OEM and new). I'm a little disappointed that retailers have them and are shipping them and S&W says it can't replace a defective one for "golly who knows when?". This certainly hasn't been my experience with them in the past. I hope it isn't a sign of things to come.
 
Suggestion well taken - I was able to find some on line for $25 including shipping (OEM and new). I'm a little disappointed that retailers have them and are shipping them and S&W says it can't replace a defective one for "golly who knows when?". This certainly hasn't been my experience with them in the past. I hope it isn't a sign of things to come.

I do not know in this particular case - but if the maker of the firearm has a subcontractor making the magazines then they might have very little control over how many magazines they get at a time - or might have contracted for a certain quantity over a certain period to match up with new production of the firearms and with so many facets of the world of firearms experiencing high demand it may just take time for production rates and supply contracts etc to catch up.

From a company's perspective you need to balance the ability to meet new demand for product with service of existing customers. Striking the perfect balance in a case where you are not in complete control of all aspects of the manufacturing can be challenging.
 
I have already ordered three - and they have been shipped and should arrive on Saturday (more realistically, Monday) - Even if both original mags worked as they should, I probably would have ordered more anyway. I hope the new ones don't share the defect I found in one of mine and that many others are posting on line are posting about. Too bad - if I can feed it, the gun is a good (no, actually great) shooter.
 
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