S&W ever make a nagant?
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Texas Star
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Probably Spanish or Belgian, but why do you think it's a Nagant? Don't see any resemblance. It's just a copy of the S&W M&P.
If it's marked 8mm and this leads you to think (for some vague reason!) that it may be for the 7.62mm Nagant round, it was probably made in Spain for French forces in WW I. They used the Modele d'Ordnance 1892 for the 8mm Lebel ctg. They bought many other handguns due to war shortages.
Why in all tarnation do you think this is a Nagant?!
If it's marked 8mm and this leads you to think (for some vague reason!) that it may be for the 7.62mm Nagant round, it was probably made in Spain for French forces in WW I. They used the Modele d'Ordnance 1892 for the 8mm Lebel ctg. They bought many other handguns due to war shortages.
Why in all tarnation do you think this is a Nagant?!
opoefc
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The gun is a foreign copy of a S&W, probably Spanish. The caliber marking on the barrel is the 7.5mm Nagant round originally used in the army revolvers of Norway and Sweden and later in the revolvers of the Russian, Swiss and German militaries up to WW2. It is a close copy of the 1882 Swiss Ordnance revolver round for use in the Nagant revolvers. I believe the "Norma" probably refers to the Swedish 7.5 Nagant round, as Norma, roughly translated, is Swedidh for ammunition or cartridge. Ed.
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Alk8944
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Your gun is a Spanish copy of a S&W.
Look closely at the marking you posted the photo of. It says NORMA 7.5 Nagant. No manufacturer would mark a gun with a specific ammunition manufacturers name! There is also a flat on the barrel where the original caliber designation was stamped before the current caliber marking was hand stamped, and quite clumsily at that.
These Spanish guns were made in several calibers, mostly .38 Special, .32-20, 8mm French Ordonnance Revolver, and .32 S&W Long. Chances are this was either a .32-20 or 8mm French, a long ago owner couldn't get the correct ammunition and shot what he found that would (sort of) fit the gun and remarked the gun for that cartridge. This points to the gun spending its' earlier days in Europe somewhere. The picture below if from your photo.
It probably has not been re-chambered. If you look through the chambers and see one step it is probably the 8mm. If there are two steps it is a .32-20.
There are three Nagant revolver cartridges, Russian, Swedish and Swiss. Both the Swiss and Swedish are designated 7.5mm, the Russian as 7.62.
If there are markings on top of the barrel let's see a photo of them. How it is worded will determine if the gun was Spanish or Belgian. The Spanish guns were generally the better (cosmetically) copies of the S&W, and this looks like many Spanish guns I have seen. It should be obvious, but if the gun was a S&W it would be marked clearly somewhere! You are not the first to overlook this.
Look closely at the marking you posted the photo of. It says NORMA 7.5 Nagant. No manufacturer would mark a gun with a specific ammunition manufacturers name! There is also a flat on the barrel where the original caliber designation was stamped before the current caliber marking was hand stamped, and quite clumsily at that.
These Spanish guns were made in several calibers, mostly .38 Special, .32-20, 8mm French Ordonnance Revolver, and .32 S&W Long. Chances are this was either a .32-20 or 8mm French, a long ago owner couldn't get the correct ammunition and shot what he found that would (sort of) fit the gun and remarked the gun for that cartridge. This points to the gun spending its' earlier days in Europe somewhere. The picture below if from your photo.
It probably has not been re-chambered. If you look through the chambers and see one step it is probably the 8mm. If there are two steps it is a .32-20.
There are three Nagant revolver cartridges, Russian, Swedish and Swiss. Both the Swiss and Swedish are designated 7.5mm, the Russian as 7.62.
If there are markings on top of the barrel let's see a photo of them. How it is worded will determine if the gun was Spanish or Belgian. The Spanish guns were generally the better (cosmetically) copies of the S&W, and this looks like many Spanish guns I have seen. It should be obvious, but if the gun was a S&W it would be marked clearly somewhere! You are not the first to overlook this.
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deadin
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Any chance it might be a "Kyber Pass" (or N.Vietnamese) copy??
It was probably chambered for the .32-20 cartridge. However, the Spanish chambering is different from the US. A friend had one and fired cases did not have the gentle taper that I was used to. Looked more like an Ackley Improved shoulder.
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