S&W folder...what do I have?

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Ran across a lockback folder my granddad gave me, late 90s.

Blade is marked:

First Production Run
Model #530 USA

Ricassos are marked "Design By Stewart A. Taylor" and "Smith & Wesson". Textured black plastic grips.

It's not marked China anywhere, so I assume it's not one of the Taylor imports. Google search comes up with zip. Anyone know what I have?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Welcome to the forum. It is what it says it is which is a Taylor import. Taylor never bought or made any domestic knives. Laws about marking country of origin have changed so many times over the last 30 years it's not even worth trying to keep up with it.

Taylor knives are a great value at their respective price points. IOW, nice users just don't have real high expectations as to quality of the workmanship, steel, etc.

Bob
 
Welcome to the forum from Central Kentucky!

BK makes an excellent point. S&W knives in general are a reasonable value, but at their price you won't see any ATS34 or AUS8 stuff.

Think Macys, Target and Walmart. In my opinion you have Target.
 
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Your mod. 530 was made by Taylor for S&W...this knife was one of their first offerings...made sometime in the mid 90's...(mine was purchased in 1995)...these early 90's knives were made in the usa...later Taylor reintroduced these same models in the 20's which were imported from china....I have to disagree with some of the reply(s)...Taylor did make most if not all of their early knives in the usa...those knives are bringing good prices on ebay...I've been collecting S&W knives since the 70's...I even consider the imports (most) are quite good as far as quality goes....
 
...these early 90's knives were made in the usa...later Taylor reintroduced these same models in the 20's which were imported from china....I have to disagree with some of the reply(s)...Taylor did make most if not all of their early knives in the usa...
No. Here is a short history of S&W knives. The first S&W knives in the seventies were designed by Blackie Collins and made by S&W at the Springfield plant. One exception was a folder made for them under license by Alcas. This line was dropped and replaced in the eighties with knives that were designed by Robert Ferraro. These were manufactured by S&W at the Holton, ME plant. In the early nineties S&W licensed the brand to Taylor. A few of the first knives were made in Seki City, Japan but most, including today's knives, were made in China.

In passing, Stewart Taylor started his business in the seventies importing knives from Seki. He's never made anything himself. It is said that a few of the Schrade knives(Taylor owns the Schrade brand) are made for them in the USA but I am a long way from convinced of that. Stewart Taylor, and his son today, claim they design their knives but they're really all copies.

Bob
 
I'll tell you a story about Taylor. Some years ago at a trade show, Taylor had a booth exhibiting his knives. A friend of mine, who is a died in the wool S&W collector and had to have everything made that says "S&W" on it, made an arrangement for Taylor to send him a sample of every knife Taylor made that had the S&W name on it. Shortly thereafter, my friend began to get a box every week with about a 100 or so different knives in it, all marked Smith & Wesson. This went on for quite a long time, until my friend had several 1,000 S&W knives of all kinds. When he showed me the boxes of knives he had, I told him something was not right as only about a tenth, or less, of these knives were in the S&W catalogs. Then it was discovered that Taylor made up, in China, large batches of S&W knives every month and the S&W people would pick out what they wanted to sell, and the rest we passed over. These were the knives my friend was getting from Taylor. Now, the fun side of this, is that someday, these 1,000s of S&W marked knives will go on the auction block and really confuse future S&W knife collectors, as none of them can be tied to S&W. In fact, those that S&W did decide to select and sell are not always cataloged, and the S&W Licensing Dep't has changed management so often that no one knows what the prior licensing managers selected , or didn't select, and no records were apparently kept. Same applies to S&W belt buckles and other S&W accessories. If a S&W item appears in a S&W catalog, then you can assume it is a factory authorized item, however there are items that are factory authorized and never appeared in a catalog. Identification of those items is often next to impossible, as vendors and manufacturers make something with a S&W logo or name on it, hoping to get an order from the factory, or the factory allowed the vendor to ship the items to a user to see if there was a market for the item, such as the S&W Law Enforcement throw away .35mm cameras. About 3 or 4 yrs ago, at a Las Vegas SHOT SHOW, there was a laege display by S&W of accessories, includingknives, clothing, watches, sungless, shoes, boots, hats, poker chips, cosmetics, and you name it. There was a lady manager in charge of licensing then and she asked me if there wa anything that licensing could add to the selection as new management was emphasizing "Brand Acceptance". I suggsted that a new line of S&W Condoms might go over well. They could come in three colors - Blue, Nickel and Camo. The camo was so you could sneak up on your target! I think she is still laughing! Ed. # 35
 
Bob,
Some of the (so-called) Schrade Knives are made by Great Eastern Cutlery in Pennsylvania. Excellent quality...not a real Ellenville, NY Schrade of course. You can see one at Case Knives on CollectorKnives.net - Low Price Guarantee under Great Eastern "odd lots/edc near the bottom. It's the one I purchased...excellent knife and I think it'll be collectible at some point (They don't come up very often.) Weighs nearly as much as my 438 Bodyguard!
Steve
 
I have been reading this thread with interest. I have a Smith and Wesson Military and Law Enforcement automatic knife that I bought in the mid to late 90's. If I am reading this right, my knife is a Taylor import from China? (o well, so much for resell!)
 
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Steve...that's the only Schrade I've ever seen made after the company closed that was not made in China. Do you know of others? Makes you wonder if Great Eastern found some parts that got lost for a few years and they put a few together with real Schrade stuff. I believe Great Eastern does have some of the older Schrade equipment. Maybe something to explore just for giggles.

Bob
 
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