I just purchased and excellent conditon Model 10 with a 2" bbl. I took it to the range and between 15 to 20 yds. it was shooting about 1 1/2 to 2 inches to the right with 158 gr. lead rounds. Is there any adjustment the factory could due or a gunsmith to correct the point of aim. Thanks
S&W Model 10 2"bbl problem
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I am not aware of anything that can be done to correct it. The only model 10 I owned was off that far at 5 yards. With a lazer sight it would drive nails but I sold it. I have a model 60 with fixed sights but I will not own another handgun with fixed sights.
I own 8 S&W revolvers with adjustable sights and I replaced the original sights on a 5906 and a 4566 TSW with adjustable sights.
Keep in mind that this is just my opinoin on the subject. There are plenty of followers of S&W fixed sight revolvers.
I own 8 S&W revolvers with adjustable sights and I replaced the original sights on a 5906 and a 4566 TSW with adjustable sights.
Keep in mind that this is just my opinoin on the subject. There are plenty of followers of S&W fixed sight revolvers.
climbcut25
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Not recomended, but, you "could" remove a bit of the left hand side of the front sight. Again, not recomended for collector's value... But, it should work.
smithman 10
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Many would say that one inch off at 20 yards is okay shooting for snubbies, which are pretty hard to shoot accurately at any distance.
Most fixed sight Smith revolvers I've had shot to POA, except for a Victory Model which hit about an inch to the left at 25 yards from a solid rest.
Many would say that one inch off at 20 yards is okay shooting for snubbies, which are pretty hard to shoot accurately at any distance.
Most fixed sight Smith revolvers I've had shot to POA, except for a Victory Model which hit about an inch to the left at 25 yards from a solid rest.
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ifjpm :
If you can keep your shots within 1 1/2" - 2" at 20 yards (60 feet) I would not touch a single thing!
A two inch snub nose revolver is NOT gong to be your go-to "Target Gun" and I can't remember anyone having to shoot a bad guy at that distance either. That's great shooting at 60 feet, even with a 6" barreled M27 for most people! Even if you sent it back for an adjustment, it will never be perfect for your personal eyes & sight picture. Leave well enough alone, and believe me it's well enough for that distance.
I can keep all 5 shots in a 2 1/2" black circle from my M60-7 at 50 feet and believe me I am VERY HAPPY with that performance.
Chief38
If you can keep your shots within 1 1/2" - 2" at 20 yards (60 feet) I would not touch a single thing!
A two inch snub nose revolver is NOT gong to be your go-to "Target Gun" and I can't remember anyone having to shoot a bad guy at that distance either. That's great shooting at 60 feet, even with a 6" barreled M27 for most people! Even if you sent it back for an adjustment, it will never be perfect for your personal eyes & sight picture. Leave well enough alone, and believe me it's well enough for that distance.
I can keep all 5 shots in a 2 1/2" black circle from my M60-7 at 50 feet and believe me I am VERY HAPPY with that performance.
Chief38
If any of my snub's shot to within 1 1/2" at 20 yds. I would be da#@ happy.
GyMac
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Sometimes, switching to a different bullet/weight will change POI laterally as well as vertically. You could try wadcutters and see what happens.
Your question assumes that the gun is the issue; there's not enough evidence as yet to conclude that.
Might be your ammo, might be your technique -- neither of which has been accounted for in needed detail.
But to answer your question(accepting at face value its underlying assumption), yes, there are things the factory or a qualified gunsmith can do.
If the gun is otherwise mechanically sound, they can simply very, very slightly turn the barrel to the right, so that the lead sight when centered in the rear sight well brings the barrel slightly left, presumably correcting point of impact.
Alternately, the can shave a hair off the left side of the rear sight well to achieve the same effect.
This all assumes no mechanical explanation for the accuracy "issue", like timing, alignment, forcing cone cut, leading, etc.
But again, we don't yet know that it's the gun, and an average of 1.75 inches to the right at an average of 17.5 yards is hardly worth the time and money to correct it, in my opinion.
I'd try shooting a few more different rounds from other manufacturers with my wrists rested or try shooting off of sandbags to help eliminate human error. At self defense ranges you aren't far off at all.
In fact that's pretty good shooting and I don't know if anyone can physically alter your gun to make it shoot more closely to POA. Just plain old shooting it more should answer your questions in time.
In fact that's pretty good shooting and I don't know if anyone can physically alter your gun to make it shoot more closely to POA. Just plain old shooting it more should answer your questions in time.
NOT RECOMMEDED FOR ANY BUT AN EXPERENCED GUNSMITH:
A lead battel is what the Factory does to correct a fixed sight revolver.
A lead battel is what the Factory does to correct a fixed sight revolver.
There's some chance that it will shoot a bit to the left of where it's shooting now, if you use +P 158 gr ammo instead of standard 158 gr ammo. Also, are you shooting SA or DA? Are you using one hand or both, and if both, how? The less resistance to recoil you give it, the more to the left it will shoot (opposite effect with a Colt).
I second the recommendation to have someone else shoot the gun and see how their shots group. If everybody hits a little right, there may indeed be something on the gun that needs adjusting. I have a Brazilian 1917 that threw a little to one side. Then I noticed that an old muzzle ding had actually distorted the very end of one rifling land on that side of the barrel. I careful filed it down to where it passed the rotating fingertip test, and after that the gun shot where it pointed. Minor muzzle and forcing cone adjustments might fix this if it is indeed determined that the gun hits that way consistently.
I've got to ask: given the seven-yard defense-distance guideline, your 1.5 inches at 20 yards is only a half inch at serious social distances. That is an error of no consequence. If you get into a conflict at greater distances, there are lots of ways for a claim of self-defense to go seriously wrong or even by discounted by investigating authorities.
I've got to ask: given the seven-yard defense-distance guideline, your 1.5 inches at 20 yards is only a half inch at serious social distances. That is an error of no consequence. If you get into a conflict at greater distances, there are lots of ways for a claim of self-defense to go seriously wrong or even by discounted by investigating authorities.
Several years ago I bought a mint md 10 2" at a gun show for a very
good price. It had obviously been fired very little and I felt lucky to
have found it. Shooting it with my 158 gr handloads told the story of
my bargain, it shot about three inches to the left at 50 ft. Having
machinist skills and access to a mill I widened the rear sight notch
the calculated amount with very light cuts with a small end mill.
Result; centered groups and a better sight picture. A GOOD machine
shop should be able to do this for you. The hard part can be holding
the frame securely enough because flat surfaces on the receiver
sides are not actually parallel.
good price. It had obviously been fired very little and I felt lucky to
have found it. Shooting it with my 158 gr handloads told the story of
my bargain, it shot about three inches to the left at 50 ft. Having
machinist skills and access to a mill I widened the rear sight notch
the calculated amount with very light cuts with a small end mill.
Result; centered groups and a better sight picture. A GOOD machine
shop should be able to do this for you. The hard part can be holding
the frame securely enough because flat surfaces on the receiver
sides are not actually parallel.
