Sad story but a reminder..

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I know that we are all safety oriented here, but I felt the need to share this story as a reminder to us all the consequences of not being cautious with firearm ownership and having kids.

I accidentally killed my sister 27 years ago and I've never gotten over it | New York Post

Very sad story.
I can't imagine the anguish this now man, dealt with as a kid. While not the father's intention, his carelessness cost his daughters life and his sons childhood innocence.
 
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I feel sorry for him and the family. When we were growing up around guns, loaded or not? we NEVER messed around with them unless my dad was there. Yes we wanted to 'mess with them' but never did. The most we did is take the cover used to hide them off, and look but not touch.
 
The article appears to be a self serving piece in support of so called safe storage laws published by a notoriously anti gun paper. The goal of safe storage laws is not to save liges, rather to discourage and render inconvenient the possession of firearms for personal and home protection.

I have little sympathy for the equally self serving narrative of the shooter.

He was ten. At ten you know that pulling a trigger equals a bang. A .38 revolver does not discharge itself, you have to want it to shoot. For all we know he was angry at his little sister, killed her, and sold a story ever since. There was a story just the other day of an 8 year old who tried to rob a grocery and gun point and I remember another ten year old who murdered a guy in Milwaukee trying to steal his stereo.
 
I don't see the point or need of posting this on this forum.

For one thing, this incident happened twenty-seven years ago. For some reason, the New York Post has dug it up for a rehash, probably because they were running short of other tabloid-like stuff to publish, although their story about a rude airline passenger and a new video of a Yeti might knock this story off the page soon.

For another thing, we have similar stories..."reminders" about safety and gun storage, if you will...in the news on an almost daily basis. Definitely don't need to dredge up stuff from over a quarter-century ago.

Waste of time and forum space, far as I'm concerned.
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I don't see the point or need of posting this on this forum.

For one thing, this incident happened twenty-seven years ago. For some reason, the New York Post has dug it up for a rehash, probably because they were running short of other tabloid-like stuff to publish, although their story about a rude airline passenger and a new video of a Yeti might knock this story off the page soon.

For another thing, we have similar stories..."reminders" about safety and gun storage, if you will...in the news on an almost daily basis. Definitely don't need to dredge up stuff from over a quarter-century ago.

Waste of time and forum space, far as I'm concerned.
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The article appears to be a self serving piece in support of so called safe storage laws published by a notoriously anti gun paper. The goal of safe storage laws is not to save liges, rather to discourage and render inconvenient the possession of firearms for personal and home protection.

I have little sympathy for the equally self serving narrative of the shooter.

He was ten. At ten you know that pulling a trigger equals a bang. A .38 revolver does not discharge itself, you have to want it to shoot. For all we know he was angry at his little sister, killed her, and sold a story ever since. There was a story just the other day of an 8 year old who tried to rob a grocery and gun point and I remember another ten year old who murdered a guy in Milwaukee trying to steal his stereo.
Jeez a bit harsh?! Perhaps me, you and some others knew what happens when you pull a trigger....but to say that because he was 10 he should have known better? That's a reach, no? We don't know how he was raised or other kids at that. We don't know if he was taught about gun safety or the dangers of playing around with them. That's an assumption and as the saying goes, when you assume you make an *** out of you and me. To that point, I don't know if he was or wasn't taught the aforemention subjects and I haven't assumed either. What I do in fact know, that the blame bestowed on you to a 10 year old is insane. I did a lot of stupid **** when I was ten. Granted it didn't involve firearms, but it could have cost my life or that of others. Now I will assume here, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I'm sure you both did your fair share of moronic things at that age as well. The point that I am making that at that age, kids do stupid stuff usually not out of malice, barring some sort of mental disorder, factors involving upbringing etc., but more so out of being KIDS. And lets entertain your thought for the moment, that "he should have known better" or in other words, it's his fault....Do you also say the same when kids die from bicycle accidents because they didn't wear their helmet? Or he should have known better if a kid pets a random dog and gets bit? I know these two examples aren't the same as in the story, but at the end of the day Its the same: applying blame to a kid. Its the parents job to educate, and also as should have been in this case, the parents job to remove the kids from as many of dangerous situations as they can. Do you think it's alright for parents to leave let's say recreational drugs out in the open to where a 10 year old could access it and overdose? Remember, kids like to do what they see their parents doing. Would you say, "hey kid, all your fault you shoulda known better!"
A great example of this would be cigarettes. I tried my first ciggarette when I was 9 years old, because I saw my father smoke and thought it was cool. I knew that it was "bad", as I'm sure was the case with the 10 year old in the story, but I didn't think that oh this could cause cancer or addiction or breathing problems etc.

The purpose of this thread wasn't to be deemed useless or political for that matter. I am very aware of the NY posts anti-gun mentality. That wasn't my aim. It was instead, a reminder to us all who have kids, grandkids, or plan on having kids on what the possible catastrophic outcome can be if one doesn't practice care; in whatever fashion that may be either gun safe, locks, education or a combination of these.

The fact that you would take from this thread and provide such a callous and left field reply, leaves me to assume one thing. That you are perhaps part of the problem. Meaning the negative connotations and stereotypes non gun owners have of gun owners. I'm a strong believer in the 2nd ammendment. But that mentality right there is the reason why I refuse to join the NRA despite the good that they've done in our part. That very same mentality of twisting something that is so common sense and straight forward, into what you did is the same rhetoric applied by the NRA to issues that frankly are at times very valid. Food for thought.


So to recap,that way you don't waste your time formulating a response that has nothing to do with what I said:

I do support gun ownership.
I'm not an anti-gun liberal.
I did not saying we all need to keep our guns locked in order to make us safe owners.
I am not saying that you can't have guns with kids.

What I did say and believe is that it was a very sad and possible preventable story by the ADULTS, in said story. That we, as in gun owners with kids, grand kids, or future kids, should keep this story and others in mind. To be vigilant and careful. That was all. The purpose would be no different than a thread made by someone who blew up their gun using overcharged reloads etc.. You may not have blown up your gun or agree with their practice of reloading, but to call it a waste is an overstatement.


Lastly, if the thread was such a waste then what does that tell you about yourself? How you despite seeing it as such a waste, decided to include your opinion. You must not value your time or you have too much of it.. I don't waste my time or thoughts on things that I deem to be a "waste"
 
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I feel sorry for him and the family. When we were growing up around guns, loaded or not? we NEVER messed around with them unless my dad was there. Yes we wanted to 'mess with them' but never did. The most we did is take the cover used to hide them off, and look but not touch.
Same here Ringo. I was a pretty wild kid when I was young and my dad being a single parent made it tough for him to control me. But that's one thing I didn't do, despite all of the crazy and stupid things I did at that age was to play with it...but like you I did like finding it where dad hid it and "look" at it.
 
Jeez a bit harsh?! But that mentality right there is the reason why I refuse to join the NRA despite the good that they've done in our part. That very same mentality of twisting something that is so common sense and straight forward, into what you did is the same rhetoric applied by the NRA to issues that frankly are at times very valid. Food for thought.

You basically lost me right there.

FIRST and FOREMOST the NRA is a gun safety organization.

It's primary purpose is to promote safe gun use and storage.

You NOT joining the NRA demonstrates you do NOT support these goals.

The NRA by necessity has formed the NRA-ILA and other sub organizations to protect gun rights.

You bluntly feel self-righteous but the NRA is the TOP organization making sure that accidents like these don't happen.

My kids have taken 14 hour NRA basic rifle classes and other shooting instruction.

If you DON'T SUPPORT the NRA and don't take it classes you basically don't believe in promoting gun safety.
 
If you were ten, and wanted to kill your little sister, would you say you meant to or would you say it was an accident? Deacon Jim Miller killed his grandparents, shot them, when he was eight years old. Happens more than anyone admits, but gets swept under the rug with the more comfortable explanation of accident. Two people know what happened, one is dead and the other has every reason to lie. Siblings try to kill each other with some regularity.
 
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