Savage Military Trial .45 1907

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This is probably #1 of my 4 most treasured collectiable pieces to me. Savage .45 1907 Trial Pistol #78 tested at Fort Wingate NM by Troop I 3rd Cavalry. No trial issues recorded in the records on serial #78 regarding breakage or mechanical failures. Restoration was done by the late renowned Steve Moeller several years ago.

A couple of interesting facts about the Savage 45.

1) First box magazine staggering the rounds to allow one additional cartridge, 1rd advantage over Colt.

2) The Savage cost to the government was $65, the Colt cost was $25. Savage purchased the pistols back from the government after the trials for around $16 a piece.

3) Savage also designed a hinged folding lanyard loop that could tuck away inside the magazine well when not in use.

4) The original pistols were shipped to the government with a polished blue finish, later when Savage purchased the pistols back from the government they were sorted out and made workable by interchanging parts and we're refinished in a matte black finish which Savage was using it that time.

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That is an incredibly beautiful and historic collector's item, for sure. Congrats on its acquisition and display!

For those that might not appreciate its historical importance, I'll take the liberty of re-printing here an article I authored for Dillon's Blue Press some time ago.

John

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When the smoke cleared in the U.S. 45 caliber pistol trials of 1911, the handgun designed by John Browning and manufactured by Colt won out and has become forever famous and popular. Its closest competitor in those trials was an innovative pistol manufactured by the Savage Arms Company. Just a few hundred were ever manufactured, and only their .32 and .380 caliber pocket pistol descendents went on to become accepted in the marketplace. Today, remaining examples of the test trial Savage .45 pistols are extremely rare and have become coveted collector items worth many thousands of dollars. This is the story of a little-known firearm that played a pivotal role in the development of the Model of 1911 pistol, spurring that development by providing tough competition.

In 1906, realizing that .38 caliber revolvers were not getting the job done in combat against fierce Moro tribesman in the Philippines, the United States announced that they were accepting contestants for a .45 semiautomatic pistol contract. Whichever one selected by competitive trials would become the new official pistol of the U.S. armed services. Initially, pistols were submitted by Colt, Deutsch Waffen und Munitionsfabriken (DWM) in Germany, and the Savage Arms Company. The Colt product was a design by John Browning, the DWM entry was a special .45 caliber prototype pistol designed by Georg Luger, and Savage introduced a proposed pistol invented by Elbert H. Searle, who had collaborated with William Condit and Morris Smith on the basic action principles. Condit had briefed Savage's management on Searle's work in late 1905 or early 1906.

Searle was an independent inventor working in a machine shop in Philadelphia, and he had come up with a couple of interesting designs. Savage bought the rights to these designs, and was developing one to the point where the management thought it could be a good competitor. Working with Savage, Searle patented his invention for a .45 pistol.

Searle had moved his shop from Philadelphia to the Savage factory in Utica New York in order to work more closely with the Savage staff. The test trials were subsequently re-scheduled from 1906 to 1907, and this gave Searle and Savage some needed time to refine the design and produce some actual pistols. In 1907, the U.S. Army fired 913 rounds through a Savage prototype, finding it interesting enough to consider for further development and testing. The main negative comment was that the pistol's recoil was unusually harsh.

The pistol as made for the trials had some interesting and innovative features. The magazine was a semi-double-column design, enabling a capacity of 8 rounds. The slide stop lever was on the right side of the pistol behind the trigger guard. The manual safety was located at the left rear of the pistol, and was rotated up for safe and down for firing. The lanyard ring at the heel of the butt was mounted on a swivel pin. When not needed, the ring could be rotated up and out of the way into the magazine well. The magazine release was at the bottom of the front grip strap. There was a grip safety, a lever that was largely free from the rear grip strap. What appeared to be a conventional external hammer was in fact an extension of the spring-loaded firing pin. Only coil springs were used in the gun, and the only two screws secured the checkered walnut grips. The barrel had a top rib, with the Savage markings on it. "CAL.45" was stamped boldly over the breech. The fixed sights were rather tiny, in the style of those times.

The reason for the perceived sharp recoil was that the mechanism of the pistol was in effect only a hesitation-lock, making the opening of the breech almost indistinguishable from that of an unlocked blowback-operated pistol. Upon firing, the lugged barrel was cammed to rotate out of engagement with the slide, relying only on the counter-twist of the bullet in the barrel to delay this unlocking. In later modern testing of one of these pistols it was noted in slow-motion videos that the bullet had barely left the barrel when the slide began to move back violently, releasing substantial residual gas and flame back into the breech area when the case extracted. The locked-breech recoil-operated Colt pistol absorbed some recoil and was much softer on the hand. The Savage pistol also had to rely on a very strong recoil spring (wrapped around the barrel), and this made manual retraction of the slide somewhat difficult.

The Army requested the three contestants to submit 200 pistols each for further testing and field trials. Changes were recommended for all three designs. Georg Luger at DWM decided not to comply, figuring that a U.S. pistol would probably be favored to win, and he could not recoup tooling expenses by manufacturing only 200 pistols. Colt readily agreed to a $25 per pistol payment. Savage initially balked, but finally settled with the government for a $65 payment for each pistol. This provided enough funding to produce not only 200 .45 pistols, but also to help finance initial tooling for scaled-down .32 caliber pistols of the same design that Savage wanted to produce (and did) for the civilian market.

And then some bad stuff hit the fan for Savage. Five of their 200 pistols shipped never arrived at Springfield Armory. Then the Army rejected all the pistols because Savage did not stamp "safe" and "fire" manual safety markings on the frames. On shipping the rejected pistols back to Utica, an additional 67 pistols disappeared. Savage, in frustration, dutifully marked the frames and had to make an additional 72 pistols to make up the combined shortage. Thus, it's calculated that in all, Savage manufactured 288 pistols, of which 200 were original, 72 were replacements, and 16 were prototypes.

In subsequent trials, the Savage and Colt pistols were issued to troops in the field for comments. The main complaints for the Savage guns were sharp recoil, a grip safety that could trap dirt, difficult racking of the slide, and the awkward positions of the slide stop and magazine release. There were some parts breakage, jams, and reports of magazines dropping during firing. The Colts also took some criticism on other matters. The upshot is that additional trials were to be scheduled after needed improvements were addressed. In 1910, further trials showed that neither the Savage nor the Colt could be approved. A new round of tests was scheduled for March of 1911. In these tests, the Colt proved to be clearly superior, firing 6,000 rounds without a malfunction of any kind. Colt secured a contract for 31,344 pistols, and its pistol became the famous Model of 1911. Savage took second place honors, but unfortunately no prize.

The folks at Savage went home and licked their wounds. The .45 pistols they had made were sold back to them for $6.50 each (10% of the original price charged to the government), refurbished, refinished and sold. The smaller pistols they produced on Searle's design went on to be very successful. The magazine of the Savage .45 was among the first to use the double-column concept. This became a well-publicized advantage for the smaller-caliber Savage pocket pistol models of 1907, 1908, 1915, and 1917. "10 Shots Quick" became the advertising slogan.

The Model 1907 .45 Savage pistols are largely unknown, and have long since been swept into the dust bin of history. Still, they have a fascinating history and a great heritage in the guns that followed them. The surviving pistols are treasured items in any condition, and have become collector prizes of great worth.

(c) JLM

You might also be interested in seeing this painstaking and fully functional exact replica of the .45 pistol Georg Luger submitted for testing in the original trials. It belongs to a good friend who is an avid Luger collector.

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I saw one of the Savage 1907s once, but I couldn't handle it. I remember once reading a story about the .32 version. This goes way back to before the invention of high speed movie cameras, but there was a test run on a Savage .32 pistol using the old spark shadowgraph method. That was a method of lighting using an extremely short duration electrical spark, somewhat the same principle as an electronic flash, to supply light for a photograph. The gun was fired with the barrel rotation operable (i.e., a slight hesitation lock), then again with the little stud on the barrel removed, making it a pure blowback action. The results were identical, indicating that the Savage barrel rotation "hesitation lock" didn't cause any significant hesitation. Somewhat like the situation of the early "Blish lock" Thompson SMGs, where it was discovered that the hesitation effect on bolt movement upon firing provided by the Blish lock was minimal, and the Thompson worked about as well without it as with it.
 
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Thanks for sharing. That's a rare piece for a collection.

I also appreciate the great photography and the attendant documentation. So you snagged the last number on the list ;)

This is the first time I've seen one of the "new" Savage letters after John T. Callahan retired, in 2016 I think. I've only got one of his. There was some doubt for a while whether they would continue. Looks like they even retained his way to start out ("Earlier this week, I located in the original serial ledgers ...") although the letter seems to show no name.
 
Beautiful pistol. I've never seen one, and before this thread had never seen pictures except for some very old black and white reprints from back in the day.

Thank you for sharing.
 
Thanks for sharing.

Those Savage 45s definately have an Art Deco vibe to them, which is amazing since the Art Deco period started in the 1920's
 
Fantastic gun and great writeup by Paladin.

I'm going to need more "like" buttons for this one ...
 
Donald Bady's book "Colt Automatic Pistols" provides a fairly thorough discussion of the November 1910 Army pistol tests at Springfield Armory which faced off the Colt automatic against the Savage. This involved, mainly but not entirely, a 6,000 round endurance test. A Colt Model 1909 (New Service) revolver was also included in the test program for comparison. The abstracted report follows.

The 6,000 round test was done in cycles of 100 rounds, after which water was poured through the barrels. After every 1,000 rounds, the pistols could be more thoroughly cleaned and oiled.

For the first 1,000 rounds, the Colt had 5 malfunctions, the Savage 4. The Savage also had more serious problems involving a broken sear and a split in the right grip.

For the second 1,000 rounds, the Colt had 4 malfunctions, plus a split barrel. The Savage had 22 malfunctions and a broken extractor.

For the third 1,000 rounds, the Colt had 2 malfunctions, plus a broken safety which did not disable the pistol. The Savage had 7 malfunctions, plus grip splits and a broken bolt stop.

For the fourth 1,000, the Colt had no malfunctions, a clean run except for some loose grip screws and a slide lock problem. The Savage experienced a broken barrel lug and bolt lock spring.

For the fifth 1,000, the Colt had one malfunction, while the Savage had 5 malfunctions and a broken sear lock.

For the sixth 1,000, the Colt had no malfunctions, but did have a recurrence of grip screw loosening. The Savage had 5 magazine related malfunctions.

The Colt Model 1909 revolver had only two malfunctions during the entire 6,000 round test, one being ammunition related (no powder in a cartridge), and a sticking latch.

During the 6,000 round run, the Colt required 4 parts replacements, the Savage 13. It was also noted that at the end of another test phase using both under-loaded and over-loaded cartridges, the Colt experienced a cracked barrel. There was also begun a second 6,000 round test on the Colt only, which was terminated after 500 rounds due to that barrel bursting. The Army board made recommendations regarding areas in which it felt the Colt required improvement. The Army board apparently decided to drop the Savage from further consideration given its performance during the test program, noting that the Colt pistol "...was believed to be much the more satisfactory of the two."
 
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Thanks for sharing. That's a rare piece for a collection.



I also appreciate the great photography and the attendant documentation. So you snagged the last number on the list ;)



This is the first time I've seen one of the "new" Savage letters after John T. Callahan retired, in 2016 I think. I've only got one of his. There was some doubt for a while whether they would continue. Looks like they even retained his way to start out ("Earlier this week, I located in the original serial ledgers ...") although the letter seems to show no name.
It's not the quality letter that John produced for sure. The company has changed hands a couple of times, the records were brought back in house after John retired. The missing signature on the letter is a sad change.

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Sort of makes one wonder what the other 3 are ...
1) Colt Model of US Army 1911, 1st year of production 1912. Belonged to Major Leon Smith of the Ohio National Guard. He acquired the pistol in February 1913 after achieving rank of Major. Served in the 1916 Pancho Villa expedition, then was ordered to train with the US Army in preparation for deployment to the Western front, fought in all the major battles. The Ohio National Guard historian was able to provide a lot of detail I did a lot of research on Major Leon Smith documenting it all in a leather binder dedicated to him and the pistol.

2) Colt model 1903 32 caliber us property model rigged out, assigned to brigadier general Hughes L. Ash. BG Ash served as the base commander in the UK during World War II protecting England, what's an infantry officer in Korea, later served is the base commander in New Mexico housing our nuclear weapons during the Bay of pigs, established a close relationship with JFK during that time. One of the generals last assignments was Army intelligence. The piece is well-documented, I've become good friends with the general's daughter who has provided a lot of information on the General.

3) IBM presentation M1 Carbine in 98% condition, presented to RL Surface a manager at IBM with an interesting background. According to Larry Ruth's War Baby series of books he wrote there were only about 6 known versions of presentation model carbines given out at IBM during the production run and which time IBM produced 347K for the war effort.

I may post these pieces along with the pictures soon.

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2) Colt model 1903 32 caliber us property model rigged out, assigned to brigadier general Hughes L. Ash. BG Ash served as the base commander in the UK during World War II protecting England, what's an infantry officer in Korea, later served is the base commander in New Mexico housing our nuclear weapons during the Bay of pigs, established a close relationship with JFK during that time. One of the generals last assignments was Army intelligence. The piece is well-documented, I've become good friends with the general's daughter who has provided a lot of information on the General.

I served under BG Ash during my Army service at Sandia Base, Albuquerque NM during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He was the Army contingent commander (it was a joint service command, with Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force people all represented) at Field Command, Defense Atomic Support Agency. I operated out of the Unit Training Division, involved in AW training, security and logistics. He and I have talked on several occasions, and he officiated at my promotion to 1/LT. I remember him well - a fine and professional officer.

This is one of my shoulder patches from that era.

John

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