Schofields set of 2. Curious on value?

[radrennan737]

I think these are Russian made. Consecutive serial numbers F0185 and F0187. They have never been fired or dry fired. They are in the original presentation box. I am curious to find out what they are worth. Does anyone know what they are worth??????[email protected]

These guns have pearl handles and 24kt gold trim. I have great pictures but I do not know how to post on the forum.

 

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[Gatorbaiter]

????????? 185 & 187 are NOT consecutive serial numbers???????

 

[MikeyL]

Sounds like a pair of .44 Russians to me. Smith & Wesson contracted with Russia to build approximately 150,000 military revolvers in 1873, and chambered in .44 Russian, which was different from the .44 American and/or .44 Colt. The Russian cartridge was the predecessor of the .44 Special and, much, later, the .44 Magnum. Most guns made for the Russian government had the barrel marked in Cyrillic. Many were made with American (English) markings, and the Japanese Navy purchased some as well. There were several variations: Old, Old Model Russian, Old Model Russian, and New Model Russians. We'd need pictures to make a proper evaluation. In excellent condition, an Old Old Model sells for upwards of $10,000; the others about $6,000. Serial # range of these appear to be Old, Old Model Russians, unless they were a "re-issue". You should reference the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson (SCSW), 3rd Edition, for more info. They sound like wonderful guns!

MikeyL
"Life's tough. Tougher when you're stupid." -John Wayne

 

[radrennan737]

]Schofield set of Russian made guns. Old Model F0185 and F0187[/URL]

 

[radrennan737]

Here is the set of Schofields. They have never been fired or dry fired. I am going to put them in the Classified section. I have seen them in the appraisal Smith and Wesson book for 6000.00 plus each. This is a rare set with 24kt. gold engraving and perfect pearl white handles. I hate to part with these beautiful peaces of history. I am still curious on there true value. ?????

 

[radrennan737]

]Enjoy.[/URL]

 

[opoefc]

Those are not Schofields, or even close copies. Maybe copies of the 2nd or 3rd model S&W Russians. If you, or someone, paid an appraiser to value these at $6K ea. you got scammed. Any appraiser knowledgeable & honest would have told you what they were and where they were made. I would put them as being of middle eastern origin, perhap Turkish or Russiam made copies, as best I can tell from the photos. Are the screw threads metric, or ?? What makers marks and fitters/assembler stamps are on any of the parts? What story was told you when you got them? I think you best chance to get you any money back is to put them in a no reserve auction and hope a couple of deep pockets want to fight over the set! Good Luck!

 

[radrennan737]

That's funny Mr. Opoefc. You sounded if you knew something until you stated a no-reserve auction. These guns are registered Schofields. Model #3 Russian made. They have all the S&W markings. I will post pictures soon. They have a lanyard clip on the handle which signify model #3. Lets try again.

 

[Guest]

First off as stated this is not a Consecutive numbered pair. At best they are a set of copies because F0185 & F0187 aren't in the serial number range of any of the Top Breaks that Smith & Wesson ever made and certainly not the Schofield which these are not!

These look a lot like some of the Franklin Mint set I've seen offered over the Years. I've never seen any of these that ever brought even the original asking price when sold at a later date.

Also, you might try supplying good quality close-ups that might let a few of the members here give you a better idea of exactly what you do have. You photos are too small and of too poor a quality to give real detailed answers but Ed told you the truth about what you don't have.

If you can't handle the Truth then don't ask the questions!

 

[deadin]

Registered Schofields?? Where’s the “Registration” letter from?
Franklin Mint?
As Ed said they ARE NOT Schofields. The barrel latch doesn’t even pivot the right way. I would need to see a lot of provenance (like a factory letter) other than what you were told when you bought them. If you’re lucky they will letter as S&W made Russian Models. And if you are really lucky they will letter as special engraved presentation models.
However, I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
And, as for a no-reserve auction. This seems to have been proven as the best way to maximize the amount received from a gun at auction. It is a true indicator of what the market thinks they’re worth. Of course it’s not a good way to recover a high investment if the guns aren’t what you think they are.
By the way, if you are trying to “catch” somebody with a pair of fancied up reproductions, you came to the wrong place.

 

[Chris K]

Ed, KKG, and Deadin-----this looks like a great opportunity for me to learn a thing or two---what tipped you guys off to this? What were the give aways, other than the serial # range?

PLEASE take me to school!!!

Chris

 

[deadin]

At first it was the non-S&W serial range. Then the pictures showed the wrong barrel latch for a Schofield. Also the grips are too white for old pearls. (Of course, that could be because of the poor pictures.) The casing looks modern made and the general overall impression just doesn’t seem to be right.
As with Mike (KKG) the first thing that I thought of when seeing them was “Franklin Mint” . (The “F” prefix on the serial also shouts this.)
I’m thinking they are a recently made Italian replica that has been “Franklinized” and sold as a modern collectible. (Kind of like Beanie Babies on steroids.)

Then there’s Ed’s opinion which is worth a whole lot to anybody into the old S&W’s.

 

[radrennan737]

Now we are talking. Keep it coming guys. I need to find out what these are worth and I will have more pics. soon. Sorry if I offended Ed. I was told guys might try to get me to put them on a no-reserve auction to steal them away. I am curious about the Franklin Mint. Please explain the latch? I have seen some of the Schofields and it looks as if they open exactly the same?????

 

[cubrock]

For comparison, here is a real Schofield:

 

[Guest]

First off they aren't Schofields and second the case doesn't look like the older Smith cases that I've seen. Wrong style. Franklin Mint has been producing things like these for a number of Years without any thought to being right with the type or style of gun being used. Also, Ed does know what he's talking about.

 

[radrennan737]

]Russian Schofield #3[/URL]Here is a picture of a Russian Schofield which the round handle, lanyard clip on the bottom of the handle, break barrel latch is identical.???

 

[radrennan737]

I am still curious on the serial #. F0185 & F0187. Any thoughts.

 

[deadin]

Couple more things…
First off we need to get our terminology straight. The latest picture you posted is not a "Schofield Russian #3". There is no such thing as a Russian Schofield. What is pictured is what is known as a #3, Third Model Russian.
The pointy “hump” at the top of the backstrap (just above the grip panels) is unique to the 2nd and 3rd Model Russians (not the Schofield). The shorter ejector housing indicates a 3rd Model. As to who made it, we will need detailed pictures or descriptions of all of the markings on the barrel rib and elsewhere.
Also, are they rim-fire or center-fire?

 

[radrennan737]

OK. New information. You have to excuse my ignorance. I am asking all of you things I know nothing about. The new information is the serial #'s are slightly off. The serial #'s are F00895 and F00887. Not consecutive. I am truly sorry. My father has asked me to help him in this matter and he has eyesight like a bat. There is writing on the top of the barrel in Russian, and on the side of the barrel it say's. CAL. 44 S&W Russian