School me on 10mm. Are S&W the only single stacks, etc.?

[josywales]

I've wanted a 10mm since Sonny had one, but could never pull the trigger. Then, I went all 45 and 9mm, which is great. But I still have to scratch this itch:

-10mm
- 4.25-4.5" barrel
- single stack
- straight grip, like the 1066
Not certain of all of the S&W variants either.

I fear this will cost me.

Thoughts?

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...Sig P220s are single stack...and pricey...

...the one in the photo isn't mine...but I wish it was...

 

[Abflyboy]

Dan Wesson has several offerings in the 10mm caliber.

 

[78bagger]

I scratched that itch with a Colt Delta Elite because I'm a 1911 freak. Then I got a box of Sig ammo to try it out and it bulged every case. Now I know about unsupported chambers. Now I load my own in a hot 40SW kinda way and I bought a Springfield XDM in 10mm for full loads. Only problem is the Springer is a plastic, striker fired gun. Works fine, but again, I'm a 1911 guy. I also like that Sig 220, but yeah, pricey. The Springfield was really inexpensive . I've heard guys say that there's no truth to the supported/unsupported chamber thing but I was there and got the T shirt. It's still fun to shoot the Delta but I keep it under 1250fps.

 

[josywales]

Thanks so far. I love he 1911 as well, but was looking for something different. I have Sig 239 and 228 and live them as well. Was hoping for a 1066 or variant I guess.

The P220 is nice, but I could live without the rail. I hate that it's not optional.

 

[armorer951]

10mm

Here's something "different" and unconventional for sure. Create your own 10mm.

A model 4053 converted to 10mm. The original .40S&W slide and frame were left unaltered.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

The 1076 is the best but 500 dollar 1076s are a thing of the decade and a half past. I would say any 10xx series Smith are excellent 10mms. I never really understood what the big deal was until I owned one.

 

[old tanker]

The 1076 is the best but 500 dollar 1076s are a thing of the decade and a half past. I would say any 10xx series Smith are excellent 10mms. I never really understood what the big deal was until I owned one.

I will echo that sentiment.

 

[ladder13]

RIA has single and double stack 10mm's.

 

[josywales]

Thanks. Understood on the pricing. I'm prepared to pay for the 1066 if I can find a clean one.
All 1076s are 5", correct?

 

[Racer X]

RIA has single and double stack 10mm's.

Yes they do, and very good value too. Planning on getting a 52009 1911A2 double stack 10mm any day now.

 

[ladder13]

Thanks. Understood on the pricing. I'm prepared to pay for the 1066 if I can find a clean one.
All 1076s are 5", correct?

4.25 inch........

Two 1076's with an AS 1006

 

[mikerjf]

Did S&W ever have a brass-to-face problem like Glock?

 

[stansdds]

Sonny's 10mm was a Bren Ten, good luck finding one, you will need even more luck finding magazines for one.

Cheap 10mm pistols would be either a Rock Island Armory 1911 chambered in 10mm, they have them in single stack and double stack varieties, barrel lengths of 4.25 and 5 inches. Another option is the EAA witness, which is a double stack, somewhat similar to the Bren Ten, might scratch that Sonny Crockett of seasons 1 and 2 itch.

More expensive would be Colt, Dan Wesson, Kimber, or Para-Ordnance 1911's. Para-Ordnance makes double stack and single stack versions. Glocks are good in 10mm too. S&W 10mm pistols are out there, but expect to pay a premium as they have been out of production for a long time.

 

[colt_saa]

The 1911 world is full of single stack auto loaders chambered for the 10MM Auto cartridge. Most 1911s are 5" or longer to take advantage of the 10MM Auto loadings

The SIG P220 is only offered in a 5" barrel and only on the steel frame. The HK in the photo is a double stack

There are lots of pistols that have been converted to 10MM Auto over the years. The Smith and Wessons are probably the best for a conversion. These make great carry guns because of their alluminium frames

 

[Walter Rego]

I sure like my S&W Model Ten Ought Six. Be prepared to pay up to $1200 though for an excellent condition example with at least one spare mag. I never liked the frame mounted decocker models, that little lever on the side just looks like an add-on.

 

[josywales]

Yeah, I have my checkbook out...

 

[Gunhacker]

Sonny's 10mm was a Bren Ten, good luck finding one, you will need even more luck finding magazines for one.

Cheap 10mm pistols would be either a Rock Island Armory 1911 chambered in 10mm, they have them in single stack and double stack varieties, barrel lengths of 4.25 and 5 inches. Another option is the EAA witness, which is a double stack, somewhat similar to the Bren Ten, might scratch that Sonny Crockett of seasons 1 and 2 itch.

More expensive would be Colt, Dan Wesson, Kimber, or Para-Ordnance 1911's. Para-Ordnance makes double stack and single stack versions. Glocks are good in 10mm too. S&W 10mm pistols are out there, but expect to pay a premium as they have been out of production for a long time.

The Bren Ten was one of the pistols used in the series, after Dornaus & Dixon, who made the Bren Ten, went out of business in 1986, it was replaced in season 3 by a 2nd Gen 645. And when S&W came out with the 3rd Gens, the 645 was replaced by a 4506 in the 5th and last season of Miami Vice.

Most people assumed that a 10mm was used throughout the series, but it wasn't. The last episode of Miami Vice aired 1/25/90 and the 1006 came out in 1990.

Miami Vice - Wikipedia

 

[colt_saa]

Sonny's 10mm was a Bren Ten, good luck finding one, you will need even more luck finding magazines for one.

Sonny had two magazines for that BREN 10

I saw him do a mag change in one of the episodes and could not believe it . . . . . 1500 BREN owners with ZERO magazines and he had TWO

 

[Gunhacker]

Thanks. Understood on the pricing. I'm prepared to pay for the 1066 if I can find a clean one.
All 1076s are 5", correct?

Hate to say it, but 1066's are a tough find... there were only 5,067 made, compared to 26,978 1006's, and 13,805 1076's.

I found my 1066 completely by luck 7 years ago, when I went to look at a different gun listed for sale at a gun store, and they had just put the 1066 in their display case that morning.

But if you find one, they are worth it, I like it better than my 1006.

 

[mbliss57]

School me on 10mm. Are S&W the only single stacks, etc.?

I bought a Sig P220 Elite SS 10mm SAO in January. These are single stacks and are built as well as the original 3rd gen 10xx series. Which is a good argument that S&W 3rd gen autos would sell well if reintroduced.

 

[FoundFather]

MBliss, that Sig is a very fine looking gun. I thought they all had rails, glad to see they don't. Very nice!

 

[Sevens]

Sonny had two magazines for that BREN 10

I saw him do a mag change in one of the episodes and could not believe it . . . . . 1500 BREN owners with ZERO magazines and he had TWO

Probably urban legend and sadly, I cannot do better than to sheepishly say that I read it on a gun forum... but a guy who was a gun crank and lived in south Florida watched the crew film an episode and in one action scene, a Bren magazine was ditched in a flurry. Hours later after the whole crew was packed up and gone, the gun crank searched the area where he thought he'd seen that magazine fly and he found it!

Now YES, this tale holds no weight... unless someone else who recalls this and can search the vast annals of the internet to find a more detailed description of this event.

 

[colt_saa]

Probably urban legend and sadly, I cannot do better than to sheepishly say that I read it on a gun forum... but a guy who was a gun crank and lived in south Florida watched the crew film an episode and in one action scene, a Bren magazine was ditched in a flurry. Hours later after the whole crew was packed up and gone, the gun crank searched the area where he thought he'd seen that magazine fly and he found it!

Now YES, this tale holds no weight... unless someone else who recalls this and can search the vast annals of the internet to find a more detailed description of this event.

I had no idea that anybody had seen me that day . . .

 

[rosewood]

I scratched that itch with a Colt Delta Elite because I'm a 1911 freak. Then I got a box of Sig ammo to try it out and it bulged every case. Now I know about unsupported chambers.

There is a fix for that. Ain't cheap though. My brother bought a Auto Ordnance 10mm years ago. It would bulge brass and even had one blow out, so we didn't shoot hot stuff through it. Finally got a mill and cut the frame for a ramped barrel. Bought a clark/para ramped 10mm barrel and all is well now. Isn't a cheap fix and will likely devalue the Delta Elite, but if you want to keep it for life and shoot it, might be something to look into.

Unsupported on left, supported ramped on right.

Rosewood

 

[rosewood]

I have a 1076 and absolutely love the decocker myself. Had mine since maybe 2000 or so and only paid about $350 for it. My brother has the same one. Both of ours do not have the mag disconnect. A friend has the same gun with a mag disconnector.

My dad had a 1026, but unfortunately it was stolen. I would really like a 1006 since it is my birthday, but I put it off years ago when they could be had for around $500 and now they are out of my price range.

The decocker is better for carry since it doesn't have the slide safety sticking out.

I have a 4053 and 4013. Was planning on converting the 4013 to a 10mm, but so far hit has issues I can't work out. It is the only 3rd gen I have had that has ever not worked properly and I have like 8. The last round in 4 different mags will jump out of the gun instead of chambering. Tried stiffer slide spring and mag springs, still haven't been able to iron it out. Once I get it worked out, will most likely make it a 10mm.

Rosewood

 

[squidsix]

Sonny had three mags for that Bren. In one episode he does a bit of time at a Hogan's Alley type range and you can see him use mags from both pouches.
In a scene in the Everglades, his reload is with a partial mag (first time I ever saw anyone do that on TV) and puts one in his mouth to prevent dropping it.
I remember thinking: This is why shoulder holsters are impractical.
Of course when I was only a little older I went out and bought a shoulder rig like Sonny's.

 

[rosewood]

I carry my P16-10 in a shoulder holster during cold weather while hunting. Much easier to reach the gun there than on the hip. If not wearing an overcoat, I carry on my hip. But I also have 16 rounds, odds of needing a reload is slim to none in the hunting woods.

Rosewood

 

[10mmauto]

I currently have a S&W 1066. I've had the 1006, 1086, and 1076. Liked them all!

 

[The_Truth]

I'll echo the 3rd gen sentiment. I've owned 2 different 1076s, kept my VSP issued variant and traded the other one (a Chesterfield VA PD variant), and have since acquired a Massachusetts police agency issued 4053 which I had converted to 10mm by none other than the forum famous BMCM.

I've owned a G20, G29, 1076, XDM-10, P220-10, and 4053-10. Love them all, but the single stack 3rd gens are my favorite, with the 4053 being my favorite, believe it or not. Wish Sig made a commander sized P220-10. The 4053 is absolute perfection. Can't wait to acquire a 1086 to accompany it.