scope ideas

[infamous209]

I am sure this question has been asked a thousand times but i cant find the answer im lookin for so far. I like the iron sights but at 25 yards knocking out the dead center of the target is a little difficult so i can see how 50 and 100 yards can really be near impossible. so my question is i need a scope good for all 3 so i can ditch the iron sights oh and i dont really want to spend over 100 bucks (im a cheap ***)

 

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[grimreaper21]

what answer are you looking for?
you can spend $1,000 on a trijicon 4x
or $100-to infinity on a riflescope with rings.
or $50-to $500 on red dots without magnification.

I am personally going with a high magnification riflescope.
look at the vortex crossfire 6-24x50 for best in class @ $100.
avoid cheap BSA, simmons, barska, ncstar, leapers, etc.
some people have liked the 3-9x42 compact tactical looking ncstar scope which seems to work nicer than their full length scopes.

 

[infamous209]

what answer are you looking for?
you can spend $1,000 on a trijicon 4x
or $100-to infinity on a riflescope with rings.
or $50-to $500 on red dots without magnification.

I am personally going with a high magnification riflescope.
look at the vortex crossfire 6-24x50 for best in class @ $100.
avoid cheap BSA, simmons, barska, ncstar, leapers, etc.
some people have liked the 3-9x42 compact tactical looking ncstar scope which seems to work nicer than their full length scopes.

Thanks I personally dont see paying more for optics than what i paid for the rifle. I am very new to scopes and am tryin to get it right the first time

 

[grimreaper21]

I've spent about a month now researching myself trying to do just that. If you don't really have any idea yet go to some local stores like cabelas or gander mtn so you can see and look through everything. But don't buy it there just yet. Always go home and look for alternatives and similar items. From there use google til your brain hurts reading about what others have to stay about their experiences with the items

 

[infamous209]

I've spent about a month now researching myself trying to do just that. If you don't really have any idea yet go to some local stores like cabelas or gander mtn so you can see and look through everything. But don't buy it there just yet. Always go home and look for alternatives and similar items. From there use google til your brain hurts reading about what others have to stay about their experiences with the items

ill have to try bass pro shops as we dont have either a cabelas or gander

 

[Snowbandit]

Thanks I personally dont see paying more for optics than what i paid for the rifle. I am very new to scopes and am tryin to get it right the first time

Really good optics often cost as much or more than the rifle they go on. There are less expensive alternatives out there but, they're exactly that - cheaper. In the end you will get what you pay for.

One idea that has worked really well for me is getting scopes from Bushnell's Outlet Store in Lenexa, KS. It's a suburb of Kansas City. They do warranty repairs on returned scopes and some of these are excellent for around half the price of new. They also have factory seconds with maybe a little scratch on the finish that has no effect on function, discontinued models, etc. They have allowed me to scope all my rifles with excellent optics for reasonable money.

 

[reelman]

"Thanks I personally dont see paying more for optics than what i paid for the rifle. I am very new to scopes and am tryin to get it right the first time"

Then don't go as cheap as possible. If you do you will find that you will eventually want a quality scope and then you will have ended up paying twice - once for a cheap scope and one for the good scope.

 

[jsimmons]

I am sure this question has been asked a thousand times but i cant find the answer im lookin for so far. I like the iron sights but at 25 yards knocking out the dead center of the target is a little difficult so i can see how 50 and 100 yards can really be near impossible. so my question is i need a scope good for all 3 so i can ditch the iron sights oh and i dont really want to spend over 100 bucks (im a cheap ***)

I ordered a Nikon 4X32 Prostaff Rimfire Classic scope for $84 from amazon, as well as a QD cantilever mount for $21, and they'll be delivered today. Of course, this does nothing for me at 25 yards (or closer), but I still have my irons for that.

If you really want an adjustable objective scope, you can get a Mueller, Nikon, Burris, Bushnell, or Vortex, but you'll find that you're spending between $100 and $200 at the very minimum. If the magnification starts at 1, you'll probably be spending more than $200 for a decent scope. These are all good brands, and after all, you're only shooting a .22, so it doesn't have to be the toughest scope in the world.

I don't have any personal experience with Tasco, Barska, BSA, Simmons, or NCStar, but I've read enough horror stories to not want to chance it, so I avoid those brands.

Here's a lin to the scope I ordered:

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Prostaf...H87E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289233390&sr=8-1

 

[gcsniper]

you get what you pay for. I have optics that are triple the cost of the rifle and worth every penny.
I have also tried the cheap cr&p like ncstar, etc. You end up spending more in the long run because it either breaks or does not perform like you want it to.
Try a burris 2-7x. or redfield scopes if you are on a budget.
Pretty much all scopes under $100 are going to suck. Try used.

 

[jsimmons]

you get what you pay for. I have optics that are triple the cost of the rifle and worth every penny.

But what's the point in putting a $1300 (your numbers, not mine) scope on a $400 .22? If we're talking about a big bore hunting rifle, I would tend to agree, but your blanket statement (like the one that ends your message) is absurd.

Max effective range is only 120-150 yards (and 150 is pushing it for a 16-inch non-match-grade barrel).

I have also tried the cheap cr&p like ncstar, etc. You end up spending more in the long run because it either breaks or does not perform like you want it to.

And nobody's really arguing that point.

Pretty much all scopes under $100 are going to suck. Try used.

That remains to be seen. I'll be sure to let you know about my sub-$100 Nikon after I've been to the range with it this weekend.

 

[reelman]

What's the point of putting an expensive scope on a .22? Why not put a quality scope on the gun you will most likely shoot the most?

 

[grimreaper21]

I don't think anyone is saying to buy a $1,000 swarovski scope here. However many gun owners have other rifles and can benefit by owning such a scope when they swap it between all of their rifles. I'd rather have one sick scope than 4 mediocre ones. The point is, don't buy junk- not to spend $1,000.

 

[infamous209]

i think im gonna wait and get a little more expensive one. bass pro has a 3-9x40 for 50 bucks. but its not a tactical style

 

[grimreaper21]

The best possible deal on riflescopes right now is the Vortex Viper, they retail $400 and rival most $600 scopes, however they are discontinuing a few of the reticles 35-40% off, which will no longer be produced. They also have arguably the best customer service in all of the land of optics. I've finally decided after all this time i'm just going to wait and get one of those, hopefully if they are still around by the time i have the cash. I can also use it on my .223 some day in the future, so i'm not dumping 'too much' money on a rimfire. (if $250 means anything to you, to some people it doesn't, to me i rarely spend that every 2 months.) the specific size in question is 6.5-20x44. But there are also other choices, such as 2-7x32 for $170 which are definately steals. That would probably be more than enough for this gun, especially considering the range of the .22. but i plan on having just one scope for both guns in the long run.

 

[gcsniper]

But what's the point in putting a $1300 (your numbers, not mine) scope on a $400 .22? If we're talking about a big bore hunting rifle, I would tend to agree, but your blanket statement (like the one that ends your message) is absurd.

Max effective range is only 120-150 yards (and 150 is pushing it for a 16-inch non-match-grade barrel).




And nobody's really arguing that point.



That remains to be seen. I'll be sure to let you know about my sub-$100 Nikon after I've been to the range with it this weekend.

Never said i had a $1300 scope on my M&P 22. I have a Burris Timberline 2-7x $170 and a Burris FastFire $200. the highend scopes are on my F-Class and long range rifles. Except for on my that M4's have eotech and trijicon's which are reasonably priced for the rifles they are on. I was trying to make the point not to be stingy when buying optics as it will typically, NOT ALWAYS, cost you more in the long run.

There might be some decent scope for under $100(better brands than others) but for the most part they will not be as clear, last as long and keep zero unless it is only going from your trunk to the bench and back to your trunk.

 

[reelman]

i think im gonna wait and get a little more expensive one. bass pro has a 3-9x40 for 50 bucks. but its not a tactical style

ROAFLOL, this has to be one of the epic posts of all time!

 

[OKFC05]

If you buy a "tactical" mildot scope designed for 500 yards high power shooting, you ae going to find out the hard way what parallax means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax

For a .22 rifle, a quality fixed power compact scope designed for parallex setting around 75 yards is far more useful and can be had for less than $130 discount priced.

 

[jsimmons]

I don't think anyone is saying to buy a $1,000 swarovski scope here. However many gun owners have other rifles and can benefit by owning such a scope when they swap it between all of their rifles. I'd rather have one sick scope than 4 mediocre ones. The point is, don't buy junk- not to spend $1,000.

gcsniper said *three* times the cost of the gun. Assuming one pays $400 for their 15-22, that means a $1200 scope, and like I said, considering the rifle we're talking about, that's absurd.

 

[CIAWEASEL]

I've had good luck with this one at optics planet. 3x9x42 compact w or w/o illumination around 60$, quite accurate and dependable.


NcSTAR Illuminated Compact Rifle Scope - 3-9x42E Ill. AR15 / M16 Scope / Ruby / Mount SECAQ3942R Riflescope FREE S&H SECAQ3942R. NcSTAR Riflescopes.

 

[gcsniper]

gcsniper said *three* times the cost of the gun. Assuming one pays $400 for their 15-22, that means a $1200 scope, and like I said, considering the rifle we're talking about, that's absurd.

Perhaps I was not clear or people do not know how to read. I DID NOT SAY I SPENT 3X ON MY 15-22. My point is you get what you pay for. In other words the people who keep thinking I paid 3x for my optics on my 15-22 think a $40 Tacticool scope is going to actually work and keep working? You must have low standards and I am surprised you sprung for a 15-22 rather than an air rifle from wallywork for $39. Hey, they even come with a free scope!

There are plent of good scopes in the $150-$250 range. I would stay away from the $49 Special Police Tactical Sniper Terminator Mil-dot.

 

[jsimmons]

Perhaps I was not clear or people do not know how to read.

Now, you don't have to go and be like that.

I DID NOT SAY I SPENT 3X ON MY 15-22.

I quoted your message verbatim. Here it is again:

"I have optics that are triple the cost of the rifle and worth every penny."

We're in a S&W forum specifically targeted at the 15-22. You said you have optics that cost 3x the cost of "the rifle". Pardon me for thinking you were talking about the 15-22.

My point is you get what you pay for.

Yeah, and everybody already knows that. Blah, blah, yammer, yammer.

In other words the people who keep thinking I paid 3x for my optics on my 15-22 think a $40 Tacticool scope is going to actually work and keep working? You must have low standards and I am surprised you sprung for a 15-22 rather than an air rifle from wallywork for $39. Hey, they even come with a free scope!

Geeze, dude, why the hate? I traded a CZ-452 Style (a $450 match-grade rifle) for my 15-22.

I also actually have an air rifle, and it came with a cheap CenterPoint scope that I threw away when I took it out of the box about five years ago (and it was $59 at Academy). I bought it to kill some squirrels that were eating our new cedar back deck because it's against the law to discharge a firearm in the city limits. I killed six squirrels over the next few days at ranges from 15 to 40 yards, and expended 8 pellets in the process - without the scope. I haven't used the gun since that time (I guess word got around in the squirrel world that my back yard is a dangerous place for their kind).

As for optics, I don't treat them like a fashion statement and they certainly don't make the rifle. I am of the personal opinion that the shooter makes the rifle. I get what works for the rifle's defined mission. Now, getting back to what I said...

It's absurd to spend $1300 on a scope for a $400 non-match-grade .22 with a 16-inch barrel. There is simply no point. It's just a .22, and only an average one at that (but a d*mn fun average one).

I've never spent more than $250 on a scope, and I probably never will. Even when I was competing in silhouette, my scope was only $250. Why? Because we shot offhand in broad daylight at no more than 100 yards, and even when we did shoot at 100 yards, it was only 1/4 of the total target count. Why should I spend $1200 on a Leopuld or some other fancy optics when a much less expensive Mueller, Nikon, or even Bushnell were perfectly suitable? I'd much rather spend my money on ammo and range time.

There are plent of good scopes in the $150-$250 range. I would stay away from the $49 Special Police Tactical Sniper Terminator Mil-dot.

And once again, nobody is aruing the point to stay away from $50 scopes.

I personally chose a Nikon 4x32 ProStaff Rimfire Classic for my .22s because a) I'm no longer competing, b) Nikon's got a reasonably good rep, and c) it was less than $100 at amazon (and I found it for $79 at Midway (I think). Pending actual range time scheduled for this Thursday, IMHO, it's a perfect scope for the 15-22. Google the scope, and you'll see that it's quite plain looking and certainly not "tacticool". In fact, I'm the least tacticool person I know regarding their AR15 (counting the 15-22, I have three). I have no quad rails, forward grips, bipods, lights, or lasers. If it doesn't make the rifle run better, I don't have it.

On a side note, I also happened to buy the most butt-ugly QD cantilever mount for this scope that I've ever seen. I have no idea how well it will work, but oh-my-god - the lever is the size of a fountain pen. Again, it was only $21, so if it doesn't work, I'm only out $21. Ijust have a problem with spending as much money for rings as I did for the scope.

 

[infamous209]

ROAFLOL, this has to be one of the epic posts of all time!

that would be the alcohol talk flip the first with the second so it would say, bass pro has a scope for 50 bucks but i think im gonna wait and save money

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Too much bickering.

Thread closed.