Hello Everyone; Iam a long time (old) shooter and am searching for the most accurate 9mm pistol for concealed carry. Iam not too overly hungup on the price I pay. Just want that baby to be extremely accurate. I have looked at the M&P Core in the 5" barrel but don't know anything about it. At $729 it seems a little too cheap price wise to give me the accuracy Iam after. Iam more than willing to put in a custom barrel, upgrade guide rod and spring, sights, etc etc. I don't want a 1911 45 caliber. I really prefer to stick with a 9mm. If you can help me out I will be "forever grateful". I currently own a Glock model 19 gen4, CZ75B, CZPo1 compact, and a Sig Sauer P226 Platnum Elite and a Sig Sauer P229. Out of the guns I own the P226 is the most accurate but is very big and awkward for concealed carry. Hope and pray to hear from you and some exciting ideas. THANK YOU. This is my First post.
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SEARCHING FOR THE MOST "ACCURATE"
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dullh
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The problem with most people who are new to concealed carry is over-thinking things that don't matter - accuracy is one of those things. See, any pistol suitable for concealed carry is going to be accurate enough; you don't need "match grade" accuracy in a service pistol...besides, you will never be as accurate as your pistol when you shoot it under stress. Any name brand, serviceable and concealable pistol out there would be fine for concealed carry.
The key to shooting under stress is you; the "hardware" is a distant second.
The key to shooting under stress is you; the "hardware" is a distant second.
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Patriot
Most self defense shots are less than 10 yards. At 7 yards my Shield with a 3 inch barrel is more accurate than most humans. If I concentrate I can group the shots in an area the size of a 50 cent piece. If we eliminate the human factor I have no question at 7 yards my Shield could stack the shots on top of each other.
If you go to a longer barrel to improve accuracy I think concealment would be more challenging and the increased accuracy at 7 yards would be negligible.
I just don't think in a real life self defense situation using a weapon small enough to pocket conceal is going to produce hair splitting shots. The human using the weapon most likely will be pumping with adrenalin and the most to be hoped for would be center mass shots.
True story, cop near my work was involved in a shoot out in police lobby using a full size handgun at a distance of about 4-5 yds and most of the shots missed and struck the window behind the gunman. I noticed one shot at about 7.5 ft a second at 5 ft and about 4 ft horizontal to the left of the first shot and a third at about 4 ft from the floor and 3 ft horizontal from the second shot.
The gunman was stationery the entire time but the officer managed 2 shots to the right arm and 3 misses with a grouping of about 7 feet.
Obviously when a gun is pointed at you grouping open up a little.
Russ
P.S. it was determined the gunman was trying for a cop assisted suicide and made no attempt to move around.
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dullh
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Once again:
The key to shooting under stress is you; the "hardware" is a distant second.
The key to shooting under stress is you; the "hardware" is a distant second.
shouldazagged
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I have never, thank God, been forced to fire a gun in self-defense. I devoutly hope that record continues. But should it happen, it seems to me the percentages and the FBI studies of typical shooting events indicate it will occur at close range, with the expenditure of very few rounds, and be over in seconds. I'll play the percentages. I'm a J-frame man in my old age; but every handgun I've ever owned, full-sized to sub-compact, was plenty accurate for that kind of situation. Most of them were more accurate than I could shoot them. For me it's a matter of looking for a balance of concealability and adequate power in a gun I trust 100%.
Ghost_Soldier
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You already have a great concealed carry handgun in your Glock 19. If you prefer the feel of the Sig P226 you might check out the Sig P239.
Sig P938
The Sig P938 is a 1911 style gun but it is small and short and takes a little more technique to shoot well.
I've heard good things about HKs accuracy.
The Sig P938 is a 1911 style gun but it is small and short and takes a little more technique to shoot well.
I've heard good things about HKs accuracy.
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Rastoff
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By far, the most accurate concealed carry gun is a revolver.
However, there is a balance between accuracy and speed when talking about self defense.
You want to put two shots on the bad guy, where they will count, as fast as you can. So, if you present from the holster, shoot twice at 7 yards and both rounds are more than a hand span apart, slow down. If you do it again and both rounds are within an inch, speed up. If they are within a hand span of each other, you've reached the proper balance between speed and accuracy.
For that kind of shooting, every pistol sold in the US is accurate enough. Personally, I like a 1911. Even so, I shoot the M&P well enough to accomplish my goal.
However, there is a balance between accuracy and speed when talking about self defense.
You want to put two shots on the bad guy, where they will count, as fast as you can. So, if you present from the holster, shoot twice at 7 yards and both rounds are more than a hand span apart, slow down. If you do it again and both rounds are within an inch, speed up. If they are within a hand span of each other, you've reached the proper balance between speed and accuracy.
For that kind of shooting, every pistol sold in the US is accurate enough. Personally, I like a 1911. Even so, I shoot the M&P well enough to accomplish my goal.
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Extreme accuracy that is thin enough to carry concealed? There is only one choice. A military, combat realiable 9mm pistol called the SIG 210-2. Feel free to save your money. You will need it. The Swiss know how to build accurate firearms that are combat tested and reliable, and "you get what you pay for." And you will pay quite a bit. 
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Sig 238 vs 239
I know I'm gonna catch it from you fanatical 1911 guys, and I like 1911's too. just not for cc. why Sig ruined a perfect cc gun the 239 by trying to make it into something it was never intended to be and adding safeties, that can make you hesitate or forget at the worst possible moment, a hammer safety that can be very easily flipped into fire position while drawing especially from a pocket holster, and things to snag clothes on is beyond me. on the belt is one thing but I wouldn't want a 238 cocked and locked in my pocket. imo s/d guns should be the epitome of simplicity and reliability. God forbid something happened to you, and your wife or a good sam, that never fired a gun before needed to use it to protect you.
I know I'm gonna catch it from you fanatical 1911 guys, and I like 1911's too. just not for cc. why Sig ruined a perfect cc gun the 239 by trying to make it into something it was never intended to be and adding safeties, that can make you hesitate or forget at the worst possible moment, a hammer safety that can be very easily flipped into fire position while drawing especially from a pocket holster, and things to snag clothes on is beyond me. on the belt is one thing but I wouldn't want a 238 cocked and locked in my pocket. imo s/d guns should be the epitome of simplicity and reliability. God forbid something happened to you, and your wife or a good sam, that never fired a gun before needed to use it to protect you.
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PLEASE let me rephrase my original question if I may. Does Smith&Wesson have a "custom shop" where I can buy the best Smith pistol and then have them put in a "match grade" barrel along with custom polishing, tungsden guide rod, trigger work, etc etc??? I would feel better even though its for CCW than just a stock pistol. Many stock pistols have just a bit of what they call "slop" in them thats why I don't mind spending the money to make it the best I can. Never been a fan of the 1911's - I know thats where many will suggest but thats not for me. The Sig 210 if way too big for concealed carry. I was thinking more along the lines of a M&P Core with a 5" barrel. Hope someone out there can help me. Does S&W have a "custom shop" available to the public???
Stopping right there and not branching out into other territory, I would build up a lightweight Commander with the best ramped 9mm barrel I could buy and Wilson's new 9mm magazines. I have a Para LTC9 that is excellent. A Kart barrel might improve it, and it might not. Anyway, the Para outshoots all my other 9mms except my P210, which I do not really consider suitable for concealed carry. Though I would prefer a .45 Commander, I would not hesitate to rely on the LTC9 if I felt compelled to change to 9x19.
S&W has the "Performance Center," which is not really a custom shop. I think the kind of work you want done would have to be handled by a private, custom pistolsmith. However, Performance Center pistols usually have a good reputation. You might find a PC model that you like, possibly on the used market. Maybe a PC 5906? A heavy gun, but has a good reputation for accuracy.
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Deadeye Dick
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My number one priority in a CC gun is reliability. Second is shootability and a distant third is accuracy. As others have noted statistics show that most self defense shootings occur at not much beyond arms length.
wildenout
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I would second the XD/XDm platforms, I have carried my XDsc 9mm for 3 years now. And my range sessions have only proved its worth, I can group an orange at about 15 yards and am happy with how it feels. The glock in your collection I imagine would do the same if you gave it some time. I was not impressed super much after a while with my grip on the XD so I got a Talon overlay on it, night and day difference! I think he makes them for glocks.
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The Performance Center does have action work available at very reasonable prices-for factory work. Additionally, you'll have the advantage that everything done is to factory spec so there's no toe hold for bottom feeding lawyers should you ever have to use it for serious purposes. You might call them and ask what services are available.
I used to build 1911s. The M&P doesn't need a tungsten guide rod or a match grade barrel or extemely tight slide/frame rail tolerances to shoot very well. You probably don't want to hear that my 7 year old M&P9 is the only box stock firearm I own, it just doesn't need anything.
I'm rather getting the feeling from your posts that the firearm you want is a pride of ownership item rather than a tool. I'm sure there are custom smiths out there who will accomadate your desire to spend money you really don't need to. Check this site and the MP-pistol site, there's at least one gent at MP-pistol site who's worked with the factory on creating a trigger with a more positive reset, can't recall his name.
By the way, you can't gadget yourself to being able to shoot well. It takes training and practice, both initial and sustainment.
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Once again, "the best" for CC is as close to 100% reliability possible. Typically, 50% of shots fired in a self-dense situation miss their intended target entirely. Forget about target-type accuracy; it is irrelevant in a combat handgun. Get a gun that is reliable and that you can shoot, carry, and handle well.
Which is "best"; a cement truck or an airplane? That depends on the type of task needed to be accomplished.
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