Self driving vehicles...

[coltle6920]

I think it was on Nova last night where there was a long review of how we got to where we are now regarding self-driving vehicles.

Tests results were shown from scenarios in Europe and the U.S. A lot of failures occurred and unfortunately the first fatality was a pedestrian.

One example that failed miserably was 4 vehicles pulling up to a fourway stop sign. None of the vehicles moved. We all know that here in America drivers don't come to a complete stop at stop signs so that wouldn't happen in real life.

That feature known as "stay in your lane" always bothered me. How does one's vehicle know what your lane is? Most roads in rural and residential areas don't have lines painted to signify a lane or even the edge of the road. Seems like you're inviting a lot of headon collisions if not outright confusion.

What if you owned a self-driving car and moved to one of those Countries in Europe where they drive on the opposite side of the road. Do you have to reprogram your cars computer?

Could a self-driving vehicle handle a roundabout better than a human would?

My opinion is that if there is a place for these vehicles it is only on the interstate. A computer is programmed by humans and can only react to what it's taught. A human can better react to any scenario even if it suddenly deviates.

Your insight,opinions and even sarcasm are always welcome.

 

[Chuck24]

Until I can get in, go to sleep, and a buzzer wakes me up when I get there, I’m not interested.

 

[sigp220.45]

No matter what the growing pains are its gotta be better than the goobers out there driving on their own. Almost 43,000 fatalities in 2021!

The sooner the better.

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Golddollar]

If the car gets pulled over, who gets the ticket?

 

[chief38]

Until the autonomous vehicle can go to court and argue, you’re stuck with the ticket.

 

[Greyman50]

Question, can one just sit and ride in the passenger seat?

 

[jeffrefrig]

That one poor guy who had been making YouTube videos of his car driving him around ended up with the top of his car (they didn't elaborate on his body) torn off when the car drove under a tractor-trailer that pulled out in front of him. Not for me. Nope. No computer is gonna kill me. I can wreck just as easy all by myself.

 

[gjgalligan]

The only "control" I want on cars is speed control. I'm tired of people doing 10 to infinity miles per hour over the speed limit. It creates unsafe conditions for everyone.
My side road is at the bottom of two hills on a 2 lane main road with a 55mph speed limit. It is fairly easy to judge a safe space to pull out if cars approaching from either direction at 55 but when some of them are doing 65+ it makes it very difficult and sometimes downright scary.
Not unusual to have wait several minutes for a safe space.

 

[Toolguy]

People tell me "What are you worried about? Cars have had computers for years!" The difference is that the computers before were closed circuit and only did things related to making the car work right.

The self driving versions, either partly or wholly self driving, are connected to the internet to gather data, and also control the speed and direction of the car. Sometimes the steering wheel isn't even connected to the front wheels, it's drive by wire. If your desktop computer doesn't get a signal for a while, or crashes, you can turn it off and reboot. When you're doing 70 mph down the highway, there isn't time for that. You just crash and burn. Also, being connected to the internet opens the door to malware and hacking that aren't available to a closed circuit system.

The self driving cars we have now have already killed several people. I think it's a bad idea. We're going full speed ahead anyway.

 

[oddshooter]

Level 5 is Full Self Driving (FSD) and is inevitable. It does not exist today! We have driver assist at level 2 or maybe 3. So talking about FSD accidents today is absurd.

Humans are horrible drivers. Even the insurance companies have accepted that fact.

If you cherry pick single accidents today, it is easy to convince yourself of whatever you want. But when you see the total millions of miles driven by a human versus a computer before an accident, the computer wins; even now in level 2.

FSD will be multiple times better in the near future. It gets smarter every day !!! How about humans?


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[Doug627]

We have had self-driving cars for decades. You can spot them in the fast lane driving under the speed limit and not reacting to horns or traffic behind them. There is usually a dummy sitting behind the wheel obvious to everything.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Slowly but inexorably, technology is relieving us of the various skills adults used to need in order to survive.

We no longer need to know how to hunt or fish to put food on the table. We don't need to grow our own wheat or vegetables anymore. We don't need to know how to write...balance a checkbook...repair small appliances...make minor household repairs...make our own clothes...darn clothes or socks...read a map...perform minor carpentry...change the oil in our cars or tune them up...and a hundred other things.

Driving is about the most complex activity most of us still perform on a daily basis...and now we are losing that as well.

What will happen to our society when the only thing we know how to do is turn on a computer and change the batteries in a mouse?

 

[sigp220.45]

Slowly but inexorably, technology is relieving us of the various skills adults used to need in order to survive.

We no longer need to know how to hunt or fish to put food on the table. We don't need to grow our own wheat or vegetables anymore. We don't need to know how to write...balance a checkbook...repair small appliances...make minor household repairs...make our own clothes...darn clothes or socks...read a map...perform minor carpentry...change the oil in our cars or tune them up...and a hundred other things.

Driving is about the most complex activity most of us still perform on a daily basis...and now we are losing that as well.

What will happen to our society when the only thing we know how to do is turn on a computer and change the batteries in a mouse?

Nothing stops anyone from hunting, fishing, growing a garden, churning butter, riding a horse, driving a Model T, sewing clothes, reading maps, fixing stuff, shooting muzzleloaders, or lots of other things that technology has made optional.

I'll bet when self-driving technology is perfected there will still be an off button.

More choices = good.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Nothing stops anyone from hunting, fishing, growing a garden, churning butter, riding a horse, driving a Model T, sewing clothes, reading maps, fixing stuff, shooting muzzleloaders, or lots of other things that technology has made optional.

I'll bet when self-driving technology is perfected there will still be an off button.

More choices = good.

No, nothing stops anyone from doing those things...but that's not what I wrote, is it? I said technology is relieving us of skills we used to need.

You can't do something you never learned to do in the first place. Yeah, anyone who wants to can hunt, fish, make clothes, etc., but how many people actually learn to do those things anymore? How many people NEED to do those things these days in order to survive?

Technology is making us lazy...and dependent upon it to survive in the modern world.

How many of us, even here on the Forum, could put food on the table if we couldn't get to a grocery store? How many of us could make our own clothes, our own bread, our own drinking water, if we had to?

I work with young people who cannot read a map...and never having learned that skill, they won't be able to re-acquire it should the GPS system go down.

Respectfully, I'm fairly certain that when self-driving technology is "perfected", there WON'T be any off-button...because the vehicle won't be equipped with a steering wheel, or throttle, or any means by which you, the occupant, can control it.

With "perfect" self-driving technology, there will be no need for manual controls, and even offering the option could expose the manufacturer to legal liability when an accident occurs. ("Okay, Mr. Car Company, you know humans cannot drive as well as the computers in your cars, so why did you offer that option in the first place?")

Yeah, right now self-driving is a choice, an option. When the powers-that-be (the insurance industry and government regulators) decide that a lot of lives and money can be saved if we just stop letting people drive, you won't have a choice any longer...

 

[ladder13]

I want them to make cars that detect alcohol and reefer and take ‘em directly to the popo.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Resisting Skynet is futile.


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[Beemerguy53]

And...I'm just gonna leave this right here...

 

[Rudi]

Never, not ever!

 

[Rustyt1953]

KITT, to the pub!




KITT, to the doghouse!

 

[Heinz]

So, how long has it been since your had to reboot your computer? Would you like to have been going 70 mph on the exit ramp when that happened?

Despite the popular myths, computers do not think, they only follow programming. If and incident is not programmed, they shut down, or hang up. That said, they are a lot smarter than most of the main stream media.

 

[quikdraw67]

Slowly but inexorably, technology is relieving us of the various skills adults used to need in order to survive.

We no longer need to know how to hunt or fish to put food on the table. We don't need to grow our own wheat or vegetables anymore. We don't need to know how to write...balance a checkbook...repair small appliances...make minor household repairs...make our own clothes...darn clothes or socks...read a map...perform minor carpentry...change the oil in our cars or tune them up...and a hundred other things.

Driving is about the most complex activity most of us still perform on a daily basis...and now we are losing that as well.

What will happen to our society when the only thing we know how to do is turn on a computer and change the batteries in a mouse?

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[arjay]

Change is hard

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[ameridaddy]

Way back in 1972, a friend and work colleague and i were debugging a computer controlled machine. He was a brilliant guy, fresh off the Apollo program, and later the inventor of video poker machines.
He opined that I should never trust any computer operated gadget, because now and forever after, there would always be three more bugs in the software, and sooner or later, the right combination of circumstances would reveal the bug(s) with anything from annoying to deadly consequences.

Fifty years later, I still think he was correct.

No self drivers for me. Instead, let's have strict, meaningful driver's license qualification exams and driving tests in the vehicle you want to be licensed to drive, with periodic retesting. Change a vehicle, requalify to operate it, just like aircraft pilots do when they change aircraft.

 

[Bill Raby]

They computerized everything at work a little while ago. It was supposed to make everything faster and more efficient. I get to carry one of those stupid tablets and around and punch numbers into it all the time now. The thing is constantly locking up. I am often in areas with no cell reception and the thing won't work at all. I get to call the IT department every day. So does everyone else. Nobody wants to work anymore so the IT department is severely understaffed. That means every time I call I am on hold for over an hour. The screen on that stupid tablet is invisible if it is sunny. And if it is raining I get to sit in the truck until the rain stops because it is not waterproof. That new computer system turned a 3 hour job into a 5 to 7 hour job.
I have a $300,000 company vehicle that gets 8 miles per gallon and has every driver assist technology thing you can think of. All of it shuts off if it is raining, snowing, or foggy. Those sensors and cameras thatg they put on cars don't work when a bug is splattered on them.

 

[Golddollar]

They can't put reliable electronic paper towel dispeners in the men's room on the PA Turnpike.

 

[Golddollar]

An aircraft company had developed a pilotless passenger plane. While on the tarmack, an announcement came over the intercom:

"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our new pilotless self-flying airliner. We have developed the technology that will avoid all of the problems historically caused by pilot error. So just sit back, enjoy the flight, and remember, nothing can go wrong . . . go wrong . . . go wrong . . ."

 

[Golddollar]

Last night when I got home from the range I couldn't connect to the Internet for the rest of the night. Take it from there.