Seven + Months with a Volt

Colokeb

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Many of us write here about our cars and trucks. I confess to having a car for every purpose. Prairie doggin dirt ranch road Outback,Silverado to haul, 55 Chev short bed, Optima, and a 2003 Sequoia anyweather road tripper.

Last fall we got a quick test drive in a Chevy Volt. We were quite impressed, so I began to research them. The upshot is that we leased one in early November, and now have 7544 miles.

Not a single issue. Since the gasoline engine runs so little, we are about 1/3 oil life to a change, and the tires are about due to be rotated. The ride and quietness are quite pleasant.

There are some good YouTube videos out there on how the Volt propulsion works. It has three motors: a gas engine with a 300 mile range on 9 gallons, alternator, and an Electric Motor-generator. The wheels are driven by the high voltage alternator even if the gas engine is running. The battery stores enough power to drive 40 miles in the summer, and 35 in sub-35 winter temps.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/xTxNn..._iframe=true&height=340&width=560?autoplay=0&

The Volt is different from the Prius. Toyota almost always runs its gas motor, and it has a very short slow-speed electric range....used mainly for stop-start driving. The Volt defaults to using battery power first.

The Volt has 4 drive modes: All electric until gone, all gas, a sport mode where gas and electric are employed, and a mode that will make about 16 miles of range electricity while burning gas at an increased rate. I think that mode is to make battery power to use in city driving after you have exhausted the home charge. The gas mode is rated at 39 but we get 41-42 MPG.

I conclude that GM has under-explained this car, and it got off to a bad start due to Obama getting his selfie in 2011.

The Volt has GM's best quality record, and has had no fatals or Volt-caused fires. And the price has come down by about $9,000 from the original $41K 2011 price. By far the best way to get one is by leasing especially if you pay less in taxes than the full Federal $7500 credit. ( The battery-motor system has an 8 year 100K warranty. In our case we will either walk away at 39 months, or purchase a GM Extension. I am more likely to repeat a new lease, I like the free option to either buy or sell. My three year cost are pretty certain: no maintenance, 290 gallons of gas, the lease, no trade-in haggle, and a Colorado $4100 credit to me. For the guy asking about owning 21 years: Not likely for me or about anybody. The Clipper Creek charger cost $13 to install by changing the wall 200v plug. If needed I could resell that fast charger. It is not relevant that you kept a rusted Civic for 21 years .)

You might ask, what has been the gas mileage?

With 7544 miles, we have used 57.5 gallons. That works out to 131 MPG...it is 7 gallons a month. But it has to be charged. We use a 220 quick-charger for the 4 hours to go from zero to full, and that costs about $1.20 at our 9c KWH rate. *40 miles*

Our shopping is in a town 18 miles away where we have Walmart, Safeway, Kroger, farmers markets, and grand children. That trip uses the equivalent of one or two can of soda pop of gas. Trips to Church are 26 miles RT, so it uses no gas. The old issue, " Is it worth it to go do xxxx now?" has gone away. A quick run to town or check some garage sales has hardly any cost.

We have learned some tricks: We live in the mountains. Uphill for 2 or more miles: use gas. Downhill: use the battery and regen. Very cold morning coming out of the insulated garage: Use gas for 5 miles to warm everything including the battery.

And No, it is not a dog. It runs a 1/4 in the low 16s. The whole drive system has an 8 year warranty, and you can cheaply buy an extended plan past the 3-36 portion.

So, have any of you taken a look at one?
 
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Shocking just shocking. :)

Glad you like your purchase. I hope you are not caught up in any of the GM recalls.
 
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My best friend has one and loves it. BUT... he's skinny. I've sat in his Volt, and with the seat all the way back to accommodate my legs the thick B-pillar is ramming into my shoulder. Plus the seat is awfully narrow. I just don't fit in it.

And.... today's new recall from GM listed my Oldsmobile. Maybe they'll get to me in five years or so.
 
That leave me out....

My best friend has one and loves it. BUT... he's skinny. I've sat in his Volt, and with the seat all the way back to accommodate my legs the thick B-pillar is ramming into my shoulder. Plus the seat is awfully narrow. I just don't fit in it.

And.... today's new recall from GM listed my Oldsmobile. Maybe they'll get to me in five years or so.

If I could get in one, they would have to use the 'Jaws of Life' to cut me out. (I got trapped in a Fiero) I'm really happy about the new technology that is actually catching on, but they'll have to make something bigger.
 
Get back to us when the car has 150,000 miles on it, and tell us how much you've spent in repairs. Calculate you cost/mile then.

Only 1 out of every 5 people who have owned a Prius buy a second one, according to JD Powers' survey But why so low? They get about 50MPG. They are plenty big enough for their intended use as urban commuter cars. But, after owning one, only 20% of previous owners buy a second one.

It will be even lower for the Volt. Of that I'm certain.

When your lease is up, you just calculate the COST OF THE LEASE in with the gasoline and electricity, and see what your REAL cost per mile is.

Lets compare it to the Honda Civic I drove for 15 years. To be fair, we'll have to add in the 4 years my brother drove it, too. And the two years the original purchaser drove it.

I'd like to see how well a Chevy Volt is running when its 21 years old. The Honda was rusty when my brother sold it, but he still got $500 for it, and it was still being driven 2 years later. But I don't know what the repair costs were during those two years. But, it was still running when it was 23 years old

Get back to us on the Volt, when your lease is up. How long is your lease? Three years? Long enough so that you will have to pay out of pocket for repairs? My bet is that you won't pay out of pocket for repairs.

I wonder if the NEXT owner, buying a used Volt with no warranty, will think it's such a wonderful car.

That 220 charging station: did you install it yourself, or did you pay an electrician to install it? Either way, it's part of the operating cost for the car.

And you need to watch those youtube videos again: You said that 'The wheels are driven by the high voltage alternator'. An alternator PRODUCES alternating current. That's why they are called 'alternator'. In order to turn the wheels under battery power, your Chevy Volt HAS to have an ELECTRIC MOTOR.

But, according to your explanation of how the drive system works, having a gasoline engine, a high voltage alternator, and a generator, YOUR Volt runs off battery power, miraculously, WITHOUT AN ELECTRIC MOTOR.

I'd REALLY like to know how Chevy did THAT. I'll be everybody would.
 
131 MPG's is nothing to sneeze at. I have a long commute, that would help my pocketbook a lot.

Saw an article on how some employers are putting up solar panel carports that electric vehicles can plug into during the day. I would assume that the .gov is making it financially attractive.

From a "save the planet" standpoint solar is the only way that makes sense.

I would like to see the .gov scrap that whole "corn into fuel" debacle and maybe put the resources into LNG and solar infrastructure. Right now it doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense for Joe Schmoe to put up solar and a storage system to run his car without the tax breaks he's going to get for it.

They've tried the "give my cronies a boatload of cash to start a solar company" approach. That didn't work out so hot... :rolleyes:
 
Personally I applaud anyone with the ability to actually get some use out of any vehicle that uses less fuel than is truly necessary to get from point A to point B. My wife bought a Toyota Camry hybrid back in 2007, a Camry is not a sub compact auto and I am very comfortable in it at 6'3"-235. It has been absolutely problem free and gets on average around 38mpg in town. It doesn't use the electric function nearly as much as the Volt and does weird stuff like totally shut down at traffic lights, which took some getting used to...trust me. My wife has previously owned a couple of 190E Mercedes vehicles and an Acura TL, she hated the TL because of the huge blind spots at the B pillar...my son and I partially talked her into that one, she loves the Camry and swears she wouldn't even look at anything else if she had to choose again.
 
Most of us will never again drive a passenger car for 150,000 miles are own one for 20 years, Work vehicles are a different story I suppose.

The true cost of ownership is what you pay in total lease/purchase price/ total finance cost, plus gas, tires, repairs, oil, charging costs, wipers, etc, over a three to five year period. As I see it hybrid or full electric vehicles don't pencil out as well as gassers. That could change if gas prices rise.

I drove the Toyota Leaf an all electric vehicle, twas a nice ride, a real pleasure to drive, nice and peppy, but only I believe an 80 mile range, still it could work well for someone like my wife who averages 40 or less miles a day. Theen again at only 40 miles or less a day fuel costs aren't killing us on her ride.

My buddy just bought a new Tesla sedan for about $95,000.00! A real pimp car, beautiful full size interior, tons of high tech comfort options, beautiful exterior. This thing is rated up to 300 miles per charge with a full/everything 5 year warranty, lifetime free electric charging and the super stations which are every 150 miles along I5 from Canada to Mexico, and the stations are pretty established from west to east coast also.

Still I consider the Tesla a huge waste of money considering its cost. Then again if you are in the market for a high end fast car like a BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, etc. it is priced competitive.

The Tesla is hands down the fastest car I have ever driven from o to about 70 mph, Hard to describe the torque, but just a real kick to drive.
 
Glad you like it. I'm still not convinced the technology is where it needs to be. I also sense there is some false economy, given the need to charge. Still, if its working for you, great.
 
Thanks for posting your review!

I bought a used Prius three years ago - 70,000 miles later it has only needed a set of tires and 7 oil changes. I'm a fairly big boy, and there is plenty of room for me.

I don't "hyper-mile" but I do like to max out the MPGs as much as I can without being a PITA to my fellow drivers. I average about 50 MPG. My wife just drives the thing like she would anything else and gets about 44 MPG.

I'll be one of the repeat buyers, unless I go to a Volt. My daughter has dibs on this one.
 
I have never been a fan of new cars. I used to work for a dealership in my younger days and I saw how bad depreciation hits the car after a year or so. I know Kelley Blue Book has a projection where they give you an idea of what a car will be worth in three or five years. I know the Volt got an award for being worth 30% of its value after five years. Not sure if that's good or not. I had one new truck and that was in 1996, I ordered it with everything I wanted and nothing I didn't and saved about $4000 but given the price now of a new vehicle I can't really justify it. Tomorrow I have to go look at a cheap F-150 that I hope pans out. I try to get two-three years out of a used vehicle if I can. I was really lucky with my Cherokee and got seven. My Grand Marquis has been giving me some trouble lately and it might be on the way out. My old F-100 has been faithful all along. I don't have to drive the miles like I used to so to me I don't need the new vehicles like before. I know the Volt is like my wife's Focus she had, I can't really squeeze into one, and the technology isn't for me. If it works, great but I can't see spending that much in vehicle payments only to save money on gas, the spending and the savings wash out. If I spend $4000-$5000 on a car and get two years out of it, that works out to about $200 or more of what payments would have been I don't have to pay. Also, I don't like quiet cars, I need to hear something running or I start to think I stalled. Speaking of which please don't be offended, I made this up for another Volt owner I know.

 
Interesting review, Colokeb. First time I've heard a kind word about 'em. Sounds impressive.

How is the interior noise at highway speed compared to your other cars? How is the interior dash and upholstery quality?
 
Whenever I get into old coot mode,I just think back to my old dad griping about nail guns and power saws and all these damn fads and I chuckle.This new stuff is very cool.
 
...Only 1 out of every 5 people who have owned a Prius buy a second one, according to JD Powers' survey But why so low? They get about 50MPG. They are plenty big enough for their intended use as urban commuter cars. But, after owning one, only 20% of previous owners buy a second one...

Got a link for this? When I google JD Power and Prius, all I get are a bunch of reports about what a great car the Prius is....:)
 
Even if there is info on the % of second time buyers it's still only those who responded. If a 1000 people respond than its only based on that.
 
I would certainly hope that there were no issues at 7544 miles. I would like a report on a Volt after, say, 100,000 miles. I've had 5 cars and pick-ups that I've put over 100K on the odometer and one motorcycle that I put 78K on. Anything should last for 7 months/7,000 miles.
 
Gas savings aren't all they're cracked up to be. Virginia was considering raising the registration fee for hybrids to compensate for the decrease in gas taxes. No free lunch...
 

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