No,actually,it can't. Someone being hit by a bullet may well fall down, but it doesn't have the energy to actually knock someone down...... or blow them across the room, or out of their boots, or make cars explode like a crashing airliner, or any of the other cool stuff we see guns do in the movies.
Shield 9mm to 45acp, did you or would you?
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No,actually,it can't. Someone being hit by a bullet may well fall down, but it doesn't have the energy to actually knock someone down...... or blow them across the room, or out of their boots, or make cars explode like a crashing airliner, or any of the other cool stuff we see guns do in the movies.
You can use whatever word you want. Knocked down, Fall, drop, stumble but, that video clearly shows the thug being (insert your own word) after one shot from a .45. I think the best word to describe the thug after being shot one time with a .45 is Knocked the F out, cold.
I'll keep my .45 and .357 as my EDC guns.
I'll keep my .45 and .357 as my EDC guns.
Knockdown power is a myth with the 9, 40, 45
(Unless you are on a cop show on TV)
I actually like the 40 Shield, as it has shown to penetrate better with glass and steel (like in car doors) than 45 and 9
I personally dont see much difference between the 9 and the 45
They both are effective for what they do
I have had 9mm and 45s, and actually only have 40s now, so that I only have one caliber to reload
(Unless you are on a cop show on TV)
I actually like the 40 Shield, as it has shown to penetrate better with glass and steel (like in car doors) than 45 and 9
I personally dont see much difference between the 9 and the 45
They both are effective for what they do
I have had 9mm and 45s, and actually only have 40s now, so that I only have one caliber to reload
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That guy didn't get knocked down. What you see is a CNS hit. Lights out immediately!
Remember, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, if a 45 can knock down the person being shot then it can knock down the shooter!
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What you see is what happens when you shot down the central nervous system! It's instant lights out doesn't matter the caliber.
If you think a 45 does that because it's a 45 you're mistaken. I can show you a video of a cop being shot 7 (SEVEN) times with a 45, several to the face. He killed the attacker with one shot to the head (Central Nervous System) with a 9mm
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Exactly. Looking closely at the video, he took a step back, then his knees buckled, and then his rearward momentum and center of gravity predicatbly resulted in him falling on his butt and back. He didn't get splayed out on the floor by awesome power of the .45 round.
That famous video is more proof that the 45 is king of the handgun cartridges and just can't be beat in close, no-barrier human encounters. All others are secondary in such encounters.
Now, if he had been hit by a new-technology-high-tech-FBI-approved-9mm-G2-bullet, he'd either be blown clear across the street (according to the FBI Protocol tests) or he'd be alive to return fire or sue (according to reality).
Give me a 45 any day! I love my 9mm's for pocket carry and plinking but my insecurity is relieved when I carry my 40 and 45 Shields loaded with 180 & 230 grain HST's.
Now, if he had been hit by a new-technology-high-tech-FBI-approved-9mm-G2-bullet, he'd either be blown clear across the street (according to the FBI Protocol tests) or he'd be alive to return fire or sue (according to reality).
Give me a 45 any day! I love my 9mm's for pocket carry and plinking but my insecurity is relieved when I carry my 40 and 45 Shields loaded with 180 & 230 grain HST's.
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Shot a co-worker's Shield 9mm on Friday...and it was more accurate than I expected from such a short-barreled pistol.
Being a .45 guy...I went to look / fondle / feel the Shield in .45 acp.
It's definitely on my 'to be' list...
After looking them over, I also fondled a full-sized, M&P .45 ACP 2.0...and with the small adaptable grip, it too made the 'to be' list too!
As a former EMT of 24 years, and a Reserve with our local County Sheriff's Department, one can look at ballistics numbers on paper all day long, there's a big difference between a 9mm and the .45 ACP when it comes to ability in stopping an active and valid threat be it a wild dog or something else!
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Absolutely! The perp was knocked down and taken out of the fight, and no amount of "denial" will change it. I don't why 9mm fanboys get so upset about this, personally I think everyone should have a .45 for self defense.
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Lol because it wasn't the bullet but the placement. He wasn't knocked down he was dead before he fell. Hit the brain stem with a 22 and it will have the same result! Again... anything in the central nervous system is instant. Doesn't matter if it's with a rocket or a pair of scissors.
Cop shot 7 times, once in the face with a 45 and somehow managed to live AND kill his attacker
Officer Jared Reston talks about when he was shot - YouTube
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"45 is king of the handgun cartridges."That famous video is more proof that the 45 is king of the handgun cartridges and just can't be beat in close, no-barrier human encounters. All others are secondary in such encounters.
Now, if he had been hit by a new-technology-high-tech-FBI-approved-9mm-G2-bullet, he'd either be blown clear across the street (according to the FBI Protocol tests) or he'd be alive to return fire or sue (according to reality).
Give me a 45 any day! I love my 9mm's for pocket carry and plinking but my insecurity is relieved when I carry my 40 and 45 Shields loaded with 180 & 230 grain HST's.
I agree with you 100% on this; especially for self defense. Don't get me wrong, 9mm is good and we love our M&P 9mm, but 230 grain is simply putting more energy on the target, which is very capable of knocking the target down, as shown so clearly in the video.
My advice for the OP or anyone considering "upgrading" your Shield to the 45 ACP – do it! Without hesitation or apology, I encourage you to seek out and secure the legendary power of the 45. And the Shield is the perfect platform; although I was skeptical due to the small frame, the fact is my 45 Shield is amazingly accurate; I have seen several comments about this here on the forum already, and I have to agree with them. I might not have believed this if I had not already put several hundred rounds through it.
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Amen, brother. We shoot a lot of 9mm, but I think everyone should own a .45 ACP for self defense. I'm really not sure why they don't – I have heard several theories, like they may be too cheap to buy the ammo (it is kind of expensive) or they have never learned to master recoil, or maybe they just can't shoot worth a **** and they feel like they need to carry extra rounds. I don't know that I agree with those theories, but I do agree with you about the ability of the 45 ACP to stop a threat. You being an EMT for 24 years tells me you have seen the results firsthand. So let me encourage you — get one, you won't regret it — it may save your life, or the life of a loved one! Smith & Wesson has been offering some great incentives on the 45 Shield, it's a winner.
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According to ballistics by the inch, the 3 inch barrel doesn't have much variation from 9, 40 or 45 in terms of energy - just a larger, heavier bullet. Now, I'm not discounting the minor energy increase or the bullet size increase but proper shot placement wins gun fights - always has, always will.
Because its a 1911 we all assume it a 45acp, Unless it was documented in the news report (usually wrong anyway) or a police report, Or someone has first hand knowledge of the shooting. It could be a 9mm
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No sir, it was a 45, and only a 45. I saw or read the interview with the owner, although it was a while back. Nice try though!
Nice Try???
I wasn't trying to do anything, Re read my Post I did state that it was UNLIKELY that it was a 9mm.
And Sir, You either READ the article or not, or did you SEE an article. Now I am not 100% sure that your 100% sure that the gun in question was a 45acp.
I wasn't trying to do anything, Re read my Post I did state that it was UNLIKELY that it was a 9mm.
And Sir, You either READ the article or not, or did you SEE an article. Now I am not 100% sure that your 100% sure that the gun in question was a 45acp.
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When I'm serious (or wanna be seriously annoying) I carry my glock 20 with a couple of extra spare mags. These shields are just toys in comparison....but seriously, for CCW hopefully the pistol will never ever be needed, and having it with you is much of the battle.
I'm currently happy with how well my shield 9mm can pretty easily disappear. I think I may finally have put the nail in the coffin of my finnicky keltec p3at. 9mm will penetrate and it will hurt. To a great degree you really need to have God on your side regardless!
I'm currently happy with how well my shield 9mm can pretty easily disappear. I think I may finally have put the nail in the coffin of my finnicky keltec p3at. 9mm will penetrate and it will hurt. To a great degree you really need to have God on your side regardless!
Back to the OP's question. I have one of each. My Shield 9 has 5200 rounds through it, and my Shield .45 has 3000. I can say unequivocally that the .45 is the better gun, and it's the one I carry. I'm not going to get into the ballistics argument about which round is a better stopper, because shot placement trumps all of that. Shot placement is better with the .45 because it is significantly more accurate than the 9. I might go so far as to say that it is astonishingly more accurate, considering that it has a barrel that is only .2 of an inch longer than the 9's. At 15 yards, I routinely place 65-70% of my shots from my .45 into a 4"x4" square. My 9 is less consistent with its accuracy, so I average a hit rate of about 45%. My .45 carries as easily, conceals well, and its longer grip makes it easier to pull from my holster. There's little difference in felt recoil. The 9's only advantage, as far as I'm concerned, is its capacity. If you have a 9 and it shoots well for you, and you like having that extra round, that's fine. But if you're looking for improvement in accuracy, check out the .45.
Everyone seems to have gotten a "magical" Shield .45 that will shoot every shot through the same hole, has less recoil than a 9mm, and even cleans itself !
My .45 was accurate, but no more accurate than my 9mm or .40 Shield, unless you got out beyond 25 yards.
My .45 Shield was nice, but not leaps and bounds better than the 9mm or .40.
I liked my PC .40 so much better than the .45, I let the .45 go.
My .45 was accurate, but no more accurate than my 9mm or .40 Shield, unless you got out beyond 25 yards.
My .45 Shield was nice, but not leaps and bounds better than the 9mm or .40.
I liked my PC .40 so much better than the .45, I let the .45 go.
