Shipping hicap mags to restricted states (California)

[kframefansc]

I've been selling on gun forums for years but I just ran into an issue that I've never encountered before. I'm currently selling some 17 rd mags and a prospective buyer from California asked if I would ship to CA. I've researched this issue online and there are no definitive rules that I can find that address shipping to CA by individuals. I've put the burden back on the buyer by asking if he is legally able to own the mags but the only exception I can see in CA rules is for military and law enforcement and even those have to be shipped to the agencies and not to individuals. Anyone have any experience with this issue?

 

[murphydog]

A current CA resident may chime in, but I think selling (or worse, buying) a banned magazine there is looking for trouble. There's probably a rule about having existing magazines of greater than ten round capacity ("grandfathered"), but this would not pertain to, say, current M & P 9 or Glock 17 magazines.

 

[CH4]

Yep, currently prohibited.

 

[offrdmania]

Prohibited to import into the state in its current form. They can be permanently blocked to hold 10 rounds only but this must be done by you first before shipping or the buyer can elect to have them sent to a middle man who will permanently block them and then ship them into California.
You can no longer send the magazines disassembled as parts into California, so if the buyer asks, its a no go.

Are the magazines you are selling rare or are they an uncommon magazine?? There are a lot of places which already sell blocked mags to California residents so that a middle man isnt needed.

Yes, if we already own full capacity magazines then its grandfathered in and we can use them but we cant import any into the state at this point in time unless they are perinatally altered to 10 rounds only.

LEO can have full capacity magazines but it usually requires a letter from their office and its recommended that they be shipped to an FFL or directly to their station for verification.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

I've been selling on gun forums for years but I just ran into an issue that I've never encountered before. I'm currently selling some 17 rd mags and a prospective buyer from California asked if I would ship to CA ...

I am in CA. The buyer in CA is trying to by-pass the Law.

If anything comes out of it, they will blame you.

 

[Alk8944]

From post #4: "They can be perinatally blocked to hold 10 rounds only."

Perinatal: Of, relating to, or being the period around childbirth, especially the five months before and one month after birth.

Will you explain how this applies to modifying a pistol magazine.

Perhaps you meant permanently!

 

[A10]

From post #4: "They can be perinatally blocked to hold 10 rounds only."

Perinatal: Of, relating to, or being the period around childbirth, especially the five months before and one month after birth.

Will you explain how this applies to modifying a pistol magazine.

Perhaps you meant permanently!

So you are saying California babies can own full capacity mags??

 

[wood714]

Just checked PSA's site.

What they have to say about 10+ round mags and Cali.

California 10+ Round Magazine Buyers: PSA values your freedom and constitutional rights above all else. However, PSA will not accept new orders nor will ship any order until the Ninth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals mandate becomes finalized. Once this mandate is finalized, we will start accepting new orders and ship 10+ round magazines to California Customers.

 

[sshakrr]

Don’t do it. Hardly worth the potential hassle for a few dollars. Just my opinion tho.

 

[offrdmania]

Oh dear lord, permanently for the grammar nazis.

 

[kframefansc]

Looks like it's a moot point in this case. When I asked the guy if he could legally own the mags he never responded. Unless he proved he was an LE or military I wouldn't have shipped them anyway. Of course this does pose a problem for sellers as there are at least 13 other states with restrictions on 17 rd mags. I guess I'll have to bounce any potential buyers against that list now

 

[ISCS Yoda]

There are only two ways to ship high-capacity magazines to individuals in California and they're both illegal.

 

[bushmaster1313]

There are simply too many potential illegalities to mess around shipping a so-called high capacity magazine to an anti-2A state to make it a sensible idea.

 

[LVSteve]

There are simply too many potential illegalities to mess around shipping a so-called high capacity magazine to an anti-2A state to make it a sensible idea.

^This. Should CA pinch the recipient and your name comes up, ot would not surprise me if CA would issue a warrant for the out of state mailer. Whether it is a felony or not I cannot say. Also, there is a good chance another state would action the warrant next time the sender's name came to their attention. Extradition to CA would follow. Who needs that?

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

There are only two ways to ship high-capacity magazines to individuals in California and they're both illegal.

Only if you get caught. And asking questions like that on a well read gun forum pretty much ups the ante on THAT happening.
As I tell my clients STFU. Leave your cell phone at home-if you need it, you have not planned enough-anyway you ought to be doing whatever by yourself. The guy with you always gets caught and WILL roll on you.
what the poster proposes is best done under cover of darkness around 03:00 in the back corner of a Waffle House parking lot in Reno. Sheesh do I have to explain everything to y'all

 

[Tu_S]

For the sake of doing it, I tried shipping a 17 round magazine to my condo in Cerritos, CA from Gun Magazine Warehouse and it got blocked by their ordering system.

Of course orders of things that are legal for my home in suburban Chicago also get blocked because I'm close to Chicago where they have all kinds of rules restricting things.

FWIW, I really can't blame a merchant for protecting themselves. Having worked IT for 30 years, keeping a system updated for things that can change on a whim can be an expensive challenge.

 

[glenwolde]

For the sake of doing it, I tried shipping a 17 round magazine to my condo in Cerritos, CA from Gun Magazine Warehouse and it got blocked by their ordering system.

Of course orders of things that are legal for my home in suburban Chicago also get blocked because I'm close to Chicago where they have all kinds of rules restricting things.

FWIW, I really can't blame a merchant for protecting themselves. Having worked IT for 30 years, keeping a system updated for things that can change on a whim can be an expensive challenge.

A bunch of years ago we moved from Texas to Illinois (downstate). I went online to a vendor I used and changed my address on my existing account. They shipped me stuff they shouldn't have (ammo) without asking for a copy of my FOID.

I found the flaw in their system. Sign up for a new account and they'd ask for the FOID. Change the address on an existing account and they missed it. For the record, I sent it to them anyway. I didn't want them to get in trouble.

I have since moved back to Texas.

 

[gwpercle]

You Know ... that west coast bunch are sneaky ...

This could be a "Sting" ... get honest folks to sell and ship restricted items to an agent posing as a CA resident ... then Bust The seller's / sender's Chops ...

I would be very careful about selling or sending anything not CA complaint to someone asking you to do so ... that just smells !
Gary

 

[S-W4EVER]

Sounds like a set-up to me

 

[44wheelman]

So, is it a felony?

If it’s not, and you were to mail hi cap mags to CA, what can they do? Just don’t ever visit the state to find out.