Hello, I'm new to the thread and new to the M&P world. Purchased my 1st and new M&P 45 and shot it the next day. No mods, just cleaned and lube. Noticed that I was shooting low. Shots was not off, they were in the middle but 3-4 inches low @ 7-10 yards. Front sights were inline with rears. Asked the range officer to shoot a few rounds for me and he had the same issue. Took it to the guy at the front counter (he said he was the Smith and Wesson expert), he put a few rounds thru it and he was getting the same result. He said some shoot high and some shoot low. He told me to lolly-pop my front sights with the rears to get it on target. Is this normal? I'm in the military and have many years of shooting experience, but like I mentioned, I'm new to the M&P world. Any suggestions, advice would be greatly appreciated.
Shooting low
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hobby-gunsmith
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shooting low
Without seeing what you are doing, I would bench shoot the gun with several different brands of ammo. Some guns prefer certain brands of ammo than others. Your shooting technique may be the problem. Concentrate on your trigger control and smoothly pull the trigger back, continuously, without stopping and don't force the trigger to fire or anticipate the shot placement. Try those applications first and if the gun is still shooting low, you may have to alter the front sight. I would suggest seeking an NRA instructor and attend the 1st steps intro to basic pistol or the basic pistol course for additional training. Again, It is hard to diagnose the problem without observing first hand.
Nick
Without seeing what you are doing, I would bench shoot the gun with several different brands of ammo. Some guns prefer certain brands of ammo than others. Your shooting technique may be the problem. Concentrate on your trigger control and smoothly pull the trigger back, continuously, without stopping and don't force the trigger to fire or anticipate the shot placement. Try those applications first and if the gun is still shooting low, you may have to alter the front sight. I would suggest seeking an NRA instructor and attend the 1st steps intro to basic pistol or the basic pistol course for additional training. Again, It is hard to diagnose the problem without observing first hand.
Nick
dullh
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You started a thread on this exact same topic a couple days ago, so...
Put the front sight directly over the point where you want the bullet to impact. If you "lollipop" a close target with a pistol you will shoot low. In other words, don't sit the target on the sight picture...cover the target with the sight picture. What that "expert" at the gun shop told you to do is not lollipopping and it is not correct either...
Put the front sight directly over the point where you want the bullet to impact. If you "lollipop" a close target with a pistol you will shoot low. In other words, don't sit the target on the sight picture...cover the target with the sight picture. What that "expert" at the gun shop told you to do is not lollipopping and it is not correct either...
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Welcome to the forum. If possible, ask your CO for permission to transport your gun to the base armory. They can help you.
Does not matter if anM&P or keltec. Shoot the pistol with defense ammo from a rest at 25 yards and you will probably find its shooting spot on. Its some what normal for a fixed site handgun to shoot a few inch's low at 7 yards or close range ingeneral .
You have to get comfortable with it and the ammo or load your will use for your needs ,you can always change the the front sight or rear sight for an adjustable if all your shooting is going to be short range.
Dawson Precision sells sights a variety of heights and widths and styles to aid in tuneing your sights to your load for a set distance. OR change to an adjustable rear sight !!
My house gun has the front sight filled down for my needs of a 15 yards. My carry pistols front sight is spot on with a 200gr +P defense ammo at 25 yards and is a little low at 7 yards too.
You have to get comfortable with it and the ammo or load your will use for your needs ,you can always change the the front sight or rear sight for an adjustable if all your shooting is going to be short range.
Dawson Precision sells sights a variety of heights and widths and styles to aid in tuneing your sights to your load for a set distance. OR change to an adjustable rear sight !!
My house gun has the front sight filled down for my needs of a 15 yards. My carry pistols front sight is spot on with a 200gr +P defense ammo at 25 yards and is a little low at 7 yards too.
Thanks for the advice, I changed the trigger later that night to the Apex tactical w/ FSS because I have been doing research and the Apex is supposed to aid in tighter groupings. Grouping is not really an issue more of shooting low. I did notice that I was sitting the target on top of the front sight because my baretta 92f shoots that way. I'm going to try to shoot again with the new trigger and try to cover the target with sight picture. I also scheduled a class with NRA instructor this coming Sun. Thanks again for the responses.
Pisgah
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+1. With most 3-dot sight set ups (or with just one dot, front sight), line up the sights and put the front sight dot where you want the bullet to go.
I'm guessing "lollipopping" is sitting the target right on top of the front sights. Gonna be busy this week with work schedule so probably will not be able to shoot again till Sunday and that's when I have a class with an NRA instructor.
Yes, typically you see it in bulls-eye shooting where the targets are circular. The lollipopping term comes from putting the circular target on top of your front sight post.
The part that gets missed by guys who want to use the same technique on 'normal' guns is that bulls-eye guns are zeroed in A way that accounts for the lower hold.
As distance increases or decreases sight adjustments are made according to the string of fire, but the round is always zeroed to hit the center of the target. The lollipop hold is done to always get the same sight picture. Rather than trying to split the target in half.
But it only works because you know the size of the targets and the course of fire/distances.
