Should i be concerned?

[rock54]

I need input from experienced members. Normally I purchase a gun from a well known gun shop. yesterday I had my wife pick up a S&W M&P 45 ACP. When i opened the box I noticed a recessed place behind the extra clip empty. What goes there?
I also found a small envelope with a fired round in it dated sometime in 2007. My question is, if I was having trouble finding one of these guns at a well known store, why is this gun available and why has it been sitting somewhere for 5 years? And what is supposed to be in the recessed foam area behind the extra clip? The area is about half the width of the clip and a small larger curve at the bottom of the recession. Any advice is appreciated.

 

[Dragon88]

First, your gun uses magazines, not clips.

Difference Between a Magazine and a Clip - YouTube

Was the gun purchased at a gun store, or from a private individual? Does the gun or anything in the box appear used? You really have to answer some of your own questions, as you and your wife know the details of the transaction.

 

[rock54]

yes that's correct

I knew that the gun used magazines, I guess I could have used mag instead, but that wasn't the issue. The gun appears new. The empty space was a concern and I did not know if there was a problem with M&P's 5 years ago. I thought it was a new store in a small town near my wifes work. I assume now that they do most of their business on the internet. It must be a somewhat new business as they shared the building with a forensic testing company, or they may be the same company. I could not find the exact same gun at any well known stores. The name of the website is fastfirearms.com I need info from someone that has the answers to my questions about what was missing in the case, and if the gun being a 5 yr. old gun, is or were there ever any problems with that model in 2007. I read a post somewhere that the third generation M&P's were the best. If that is true, what was wrong with the first and second and which generation do I have.

 

[WR Moore]

S&W has been selling various M&P models almost as fast as they can be made pretty much since introduction. Not all models are in high demand. Those that are not, may generate some shelf time for various reasons, to include a lack of demand (or because it was easier for a shipping guy to grab just made/received stuff instead of rotating inventory). As an example, I once bought a varmint rifle that by manufacturers codes had been made 7 years previously but was brand new. Given the price they let it go for, I expect it was in their stock all that time.

You also have the supply practices of the various gun companies and/or their distributors. You don't get any stock of the red hot articles unless you buy so many items of lesser demand. Your "well known gun store" may not have been willing to make the investment necessary to obtain the item you were looking for.

I don't recall a recessed area behind the magazines. You should realize that the cases are made for all weapons of a similar size and there may be more room in the case than that particular model needs.

You might ask the seller why it was gathering dust for several years.

 

[MIST]

I recently purchased a new 45C from one of my LGS. In the case was the pistol, two magazines, three backstraps, a cable lock, an orange chamber plug, the test fire casing and manuals. The case sold with my 9C and my 40C contained the same items. There is an extra cutout in the foam of all three cases and I too wondered why it was there, concluding that the cases are most likely generic for many different models. As long as the case contained all of the aforementioned items I believe you received everything.

I didn't bother to pay too much attention to any of the dates stamped on the test fire cartridge envelopes and I can't speak as to any flaws or problems with different generation pistols. I can say that all of my M&P's have performed flawlessly.

 

[Lost Lake]

Your M&P should come with the gun, two mags if it is a civilian model, 3 for a first responder model, a cable lock, 3 back straps, a fired round in an envelope, the owners manual, and a brown piece of moisture wicking paper all in a plastic single handled double snap lock carrying case.

As for age, they do get lost sometimes, bottom of the stack, back of the store type stuff, and sometimes things get switched around.... Take a lightly used gun, stuff it in a new box, throw in a spent shell packet and sell it as new.

As for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations, that refers to the type of gun. All metal guns were 2nd gens, like the 4046. Third gens are tupperware guns.

 

[rock54]

Thanks WR for your input. i cleaned the gun and it appears to be new. I am just trying to find out why it has been sitting around for 5 yrs., when there appears to be a high demand. The seller did state that he had to call 8 places to find this gun, but he did not mention the age of it. The bottom of the plastic case has scratches where it has been drug around the counter and a small gash in one side of the case,which I am not concerned about. just curious about this third generation remark from someone on a forum that seemed to know or had experience with the older year models. I will call the salesman when he opens and see where it was located and why for so long. Here is a pic of the case where a part is missing. C:\Users\Owner\Pictures\2011-11-04\DSCN0075.JPG

 

[rock54]

looks like I need to learn how to post pics

 

[Lost Lake]

You'll have to try harder when posting a picture.... You need to upload it first. We don't have access to your C drive. We're good, but not that good....

 

[44 special Dave]

I just took a look at the S&W website and some mp45s are sold with extra palmswell grip adapters.

I don't know how big the cut out is but maybe the case was made for all mp models with or without palmswell grip adapters.

Dave

 

[Lost Lake]

On the bottom foam there are four cut outs. 2 mags on the left, a square cut out for the back strap adapters and one big gun shaped cut out on the right.

The top foam is cut out to create a pocket to put the spent shell, lock and owner's manual inside the top cover.

 

[rock54]

Thanks Mist, all those parts came with the gun, I will probably just go shoot a couple hundred rounds and see if it works ok. I don't see any scratches or wear on the gun itself. I wasn't sure how to check on a recalled gun. If I knew how I would not have to ask questions.

Thanks again all

 

[rock54]

Hey lake, the cut out in the foam is between the extra mag and the palm swells. About the length of the mag, but twice as narrow with the bottom having a slight curve. as far as pics go, I need to figure out how to find the url

 

[rock54]

C:\Users\Owner\Pictures\2011-11-04\DSCN0075.JPG

 

[Ruger Nut]

You bring up a very interesting point.I have only bought 5 new firearms in my life of using firearms,which goes back to when I got my first one at age 8.Since I've moved to Florida in 1987 my collection has grown alot.I met my current range buddies back in 88 and they schooled me on looking for the production date of the firearm to coincide with the fired test cartridge,if it had one when I bought it used.I do the same thing for new firearms too.

It's good to support your LGS but it's also good to walk away from a firearm you know that has had problems before,and it's on their shelf waiting to be sold.

 

[Lost Lake]

Hey lake, the cut out in the foam is between the extra mag and the palm swells. About the length of the mag, but twice as narrow with the bottom having a slight curve. as far as pics go, I need to figure out how to find the url

There are two cut outs for magazines. All my M&P's came with three mags, two on the left and one in the gun.

Civilian guns come with one in the gun and one in the foam, or two in the foam and none in the gun, depending on how the FFL left it after calling in the numbers.

Like I said. Four cut outs. Two for mags, one for straps, one for gun.

 

[Lost Lake]

This is what a new M&P looks like:

 

[rock54]

Hey lake, first of all, how did you post that pic? My case is turned the other way with only one cutout for an extra mag. and one in the gun. just got off phone with S & W---they say never been a recal on my gun , so I feel better now.

TY again

 

[rock54]

You bring up a very interesting point.I have only bought 5 new firearms in my life of using firearms,which goes back to when I got my first one at age 8.Since I've moved to Florida in 1987 my collection has grown alot.I met my current range buddies back in 88 and they schooled me on looking for the production date of the firearm to coincide with the fired test cartridge,if it had one when I bought it used.I do the same thing for new firearms too.

It's good to support your LGS but it's also good to walk away from a firearm you know that has had problems before,and it's on their shelf waiting to be sold.

OK, so where is the date located on the firearm? TY

 

[Ruger Nut]

OK, so where is the date located on the firearm? TY

Call S&W and give them the weapons serial number.They will tell you when it was made and when it shipped.When I call Ruger about this info that's how they do it,but they won't reveal "where" it was shipped.