Should I get a patent? Idea for a 1911 Holster

As others have pointed out, a patent provides the holder with the exclusive rights to use of a new development or innovation for a period of years. If others make use of the patented intellectual property they must acquire the permission of the patent holder, otherwise they may be subject to legal action. Such legal action to enforce the patent is the responsibility of the patent holder and may involve considerable time and expense to exercise; there are no "patent police" or "copyright constables", nor are there publicly funded advocates to protect the holders' rights.

The idea for holsters in general probably goes back to the first guy who thought of ways to secure his weapons to his body (rocks, sticks, clubs, knives, etc). Consequently holsters themselves would be very difficult to patent, as the products have been in use in many forms for thousands of years.

The adaptation of a unique device to a holster design might be considered for patent protection. Devices such as built-in retention clips that grip the trigger guard, etc, come to mind. In such cases the unique device is the intellectual property being protected by patent, rather than the holster itself.

Even then, others might make a relatively simple change to the patented design and bypass the patent protections with impunity, always arguing that their design is unique and different than the patented device.

Designs (i.e.: shape, form, etc) in and of themselves would be unlikely to receive patent protection. Even if they were patented any number of simple changes to shape, form, stitch-lines, or other construction details would effectively negate patent protections.

Copyrights are granted for the exclusive use of a new descriptive product name (Bianchi's "Cyclone", "Askins Avenger", and others would be examples). A copyright grants the holder exclusive use of the term for marketing purposes. Should others use the copyrighted term the holder could enforce his rights by legal action (again, at his expense until the matter is settled in court, at which time there might be a judgement against the unlawful user, but even that would require the copyright holder to enforce the judgement, levy assets, attach bank accounts, etc, to collect).

Arguably, this entire field of law involves very broad and general protections for very narrow and specific rights to intellectual property. Enforcement is generally difficult, time consuming, and expensive for the holders of patents and copyrights.

Pursue your ideas, by all means, but do so after receiving competent legal advice from an attorney specializing in this field of the law.

Best regards.
 
Personally, it seems unlikely to me that you have designed a new holster, frankly, as I would guess just about everything conceivable has been tried.

This reminds me of several quotes, and looking back we can see how wrong those people were.... :D

'Inventions reached their limit long ago and I see no hope for further development.'

— Julius Sextus Frontinus, prominent Roman engineer (c. 40-103 AD)


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And let's not forget al of these gems :)

Things People Said: Bad Predictions

This reminds me of several quotes, and looking back we can see how wrong those people were.... :D

'Inventions reached their limit long ago and I see no hope for further development.'

— Julius Sextus Frontinus, prominent Roman engineer (c. 40-103 AD)

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A patent is like owning a big cattle ranch in the old wild west frontier. If you don't have the guns to protect your stock, rustlers and wolves will rule the day. In other words, don't imagine that a patent offers complete protection from infringement. You must have the resources, financial and otherwise to combat knockoffs.

As far as the innovative design feature (s) is concerned, it would have to be incredibly unique to justify the cost of securing a patent. I am reluctant to imagine that of the hundreds of successful, full time and extremely experienced designers of holsters haven't already produced a model with your concept. I would speculate that whatever the feature is you believe to be unique, if not already in the marketplace, is likely impractical.

From large holster companies, down to the little guy in a one man or one woman shop, consider why so few patents exist for the most commonly manufactured holster designs. Simply put, in my opinion, it's a waste of working capital.

Another concept you should discuss with a patent attorney, should you decide to proceed, is "trade market infringement" of proprietary intellectual property. It is an alternative form of legal recourse for non patent property. I'm not a lawyer and I don't dispense legal advice, so you should certainly discuss that with an attorney.

I hope this is helpful and best wishes for your success.

Cheers;
Lefty
 
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Heck the only real original designs I have seen in over 40 years are the molded holster, and the holster made and designed by the late Paris Theadora,,,,That was original at least I thought so...The Jordon border patrol holster was said to be designed by bill Jordon, and in the old days was the cream of the crop.(revolver days) Now there are many good designers of pistol and revlover holsters, most are deveations of other designs.....Lobo makes a great holster along with other members here......As to Paris somebody on this site knows who and what happened to the Theadora shoulder holster and the ASP pistol....I think another holster maker ended up making the Theadora design, and probably even improved it..My old memory gave out on who it was but they were members here.....Good luck on your design...I have to chuckel when some asked for a picture of your design..In jest I'm sure..
 
Like a gold mine

I spent a few hours in the Patent Library in Stockton California in the 1980s. By the time I left I had forgotten about my idea and wanted to copy some great inventions I had seen there. Particularly a sail board with an outrigger some guy in Australia had invented. I think he called it a prawn?

Anyway a good expensive attorney knows how to make a description exact were necessary and vague where necessary. Otherwise anyone could make a copy just one centimeter bigger and file his or her own patent.

My father in law was career army. He said the most important part of a 45 holster is the hole in the bottom. Without the hole, each time you holster your pistol the dusty air is blown up through the pistol. (So I think the hole has been patented).

One guy converted the military flap holster to quick draw by putting a swivel pin at front so the flap could just be pushed upward at back. (I only saw it once).

In the old west (according to Time Life Old West series books) the cowboys would have holsters really loose around their cylinders. Sometimes when a rowdy drunk was trying to pick a gunfight the other cowboys would cock their (single action) revolvers when still in holsters. The audible clicking all around the agitator usually sobered him up just enough.

When going to church, and wearing a dress coat, a single action revolver could be shoved inside pants at belt and held in place by opening the loading gate.

All the pertinent stuff has already been done?

Or, like the gold miners wife describing what a gold mine is: A hole in the ground where you throw all your money.
 
Entertaining thread.

The hole in the botttom of the GI 1911 holster was a water drain.

Paris Theodore was a holster designer-among other things. The only Theodora I've heard of was an exotic entertainer from Paris.
 
I appreciate the feedback and responses. Candidly, I understand the skepticism regarding a new design. If I were to hear of something like this, I would 'chuckle' as well. I have thought about this for some time, and objectively view it as worth pursuing further.

My goal will be to consult with an attorney, make necessary steps (inasmuch as one can) to 'secure' the design/copyright, then at my leisure seek to sell the design/copyright to a large manufacturer.

Again, I would not be doing this for any sort of personal gain financially; my motivation is to contribute to the hobby that I enjoy. Period.

If it's a flop, then 'chalk' one up for a life lesson. :)
 
Honestly, if you have no interest in financial gain, publish your new product and move on, let someone else take the money and manufacture/sell the product. Patents do not align with your stated goals in my opinion.

I appreciate the feedback and responses. Candidly, I understand the skepticism regarding a new design. If I were to hear of something like this, I would 'chuckle' as well. I have thought about this for some time, and objectively view it as worth pursuing further.

My goal will be to consult with an attorney, make necessary steps (inasmuch as one can) to 'secure' the design/copyright, then at my leisure seek to sell the design/copyright to a large manufacturer.

Again, I would not be doing this for any sort of personal gain financially; my motivation is to contribute to the hobby that I enjoy. Period.

If it's a flop, then 'chalk' one up for a life lesson. :)
 
^^^Fair enough. I might just do that too. We'll see. I stand on my word and interest in helping and contributing to the hobby.
 
Patents are pretty easy actually. I've got 3. You don't copyright the design -- you patent it. You copyright things like music, books and other written works. You trademark things like logos and brands.

There are 3 modes of protection: Trade Secret, Patent, Publish. Only patent can give you the opportunity to make money from the rights. You publish so that somebody else cannot patent your idea. A trade secret is like Coca Cola's recipe - not easily replicated. For a "thing" you want a patent.

The www.USPTO.gov web site lists patents and trademarks. You can do your initial research there and see what has already been patented. It's a great starting point.

The site also describes the process of getting a patent. I HIGHLY recommend getting a GOOD patent attorney!! They will make sure that the patent is written in a manner that somebody else can't make a minor change and get around your patent!!!

Document EVERYTHING about your "invention" including the first date you came up with the idea/concept. That is a critical element and you should have documentation to back up that claim. Two people can file for a similar patent on a given day. The one with the first or earliest date usually gets awarded the patent. (not always but, usually).

Don't disclose your idea to anybody without first getting a Non-Disclosure agreement in writing.

Then, file and wait. It can take years before the patent is issued so, until then, it is Patent Pending (Pat. Pend.)

Good luck.
 
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You are not kidding about the wait. I had a patent in for almost 4 years that was granted just a few weeks back. I actually forgot the title when I read it upon being published.
 
When Mr's Smith & Wesson bought Rollin White's patent for bored through cylinders, they put in the contract that it would be his responsibility to defend the patent, having had previous business experience with that problem.

He nearly went broke doing so.

Lawyers have always been expensive :)

Good luck with your holster, I look forward to reading about the design later when you get things going.
 
Entertaining thread.

The hole in the botttom of the GI 1911 holster was a water drain.

Paris Theodore was a holster designer-among other things. The only Theodora I've heard of was an exotic entertainer from Paris.

Sorry for the mis-spelling of Theodore, I was looking for a picture of one of his first shoulder holsters,,,I had purchased a
ASP, back in the early 70's from Mr Theodore..for a judge I was assigned to..It took over a year and many calls to Mr. Theodore before we received the pistol...Very interesting piece, soon to be copied by S&W in the the 3913 with out the guttersnipe sight system but the S&W's have a better or smoother action, but lacked the see trough grips...That ASP was sold to a collector in the late 70's , for far less than it would be worth now...His holster designs were ahead of the times...
 
I am a semi retired engineer and I have 13 patents in my name. That and two bucks will get me a coffee some places.

All of my patents were filed by Westinghouse, so I don't know how much it costs for an individual. All are assigned to Westinghouse /Eaton and I get no royalties (by prior agreement).

If you get a patent there is a strong NIH (not invented here) strain at most places. You can make an improvement to an existing valid patent and have the use of the improvement, but it does not allow you to use the original patent.

As said, a patent allows you to sue someone who infringes on your patent, that is all it does. The inventer of intermittant windshield wipers sued GM for years and won, but the suit cost more than GM's payment. If you don't sue, companies will walk all over you.

In the USA, you have a year to file after you disclose the patent idea, in Europe, once you disclose, you lose the right to file. I have one patent the company felt so important they filed in Israel, South Africa, and Europe.

I am not familiar with internet patent searches. In "the old days" searches were done manually by specialists and the more money you spent on searches, the more similar patents you found. Similar patents are good, it tells the world (and the other inventors) that you were aware of the other patents and allows the attorney to write claims that justify a new patent. It is extremely unlikely your design is so different that there won't be other patents similar that will be cited.

Only the claims in the patent mean anything. The claims are what is new or improved. Make absolutely sure that the claims are correct and complete.

A patent is a cool thing to have (IMHO).

Last, a true story, an inventor designed a way to raise sunken boats by filling them with hollow spheres until they were buoyed up. He filed for a patent and was turned down because in 1932 there was a comic book printed showing Donald Duck doing the same thing with ping pong balls.

A patent means you show the world what your idea is in exchange for a limited time to exclusively use it. (Drug patents are a good example). Trade secrets are just that. As long as it remains secret you are golden. As long as forever. Coca Cola and Kentuck Fried chicken are an example, had they patented their recipes they would be in the public domain now.
A copyright is the right to a certain song, text, etc.
 
New Use patents

"New Use" patents fascinate me.

I want to patent the use of a Violin Case for carrying Tommy Guns. Then when criminals like Al Capone go to prison I want to be able to sue their estate.
(I have always be a little late).

What Are Improvement Patents and New Use Patents? | Nolo.com
What Are Improvement Patents and New Use Patents?
Improvement and new use patents are for inventions that improve on or feature new uses for existing inventions.
 
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