Big Dog Dad
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I was looking at a PC ported Shield in 9mm the other day and was really interested. I've been reading about the 2.0 M&P pistols and was wondering if I should wait for the 2.0 Shield?
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Should I wait for M&P Shield 9mm ported 2.0?
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What in the world for?
With porting you get more noise, dirt and muzzleflash.
You get nothing worth having except a cool looking, Star Wars gun that offers no significant benefit.
With porting you get more noise, dirt and muzzleflash.
You get nothing worth having except a cool looking, Star Wars gun that offers no significant benefit.
I were you I would get the non pc 1.0 shield, and use the extra cash for night sights, holster, or ammo. Mine has been flawless don't need or won't change it for a 2.0 or anything else.
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Wait. Email them that you are waiting too. I want the .45 PC but want a thumb safety. So aggravated that I can't get what I want. I want the PC so bad just because of the ported barrel that I was about to get the .40 but how do you say no to .45 with the same number of rounds?
Get what you want and if you can get two. Pester the heck out of S&W till they announce.
Get what you want and if you can get two. Pester the heck out of S&W till they announce.
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Agreed
There will probably be a compact 2.0 version before a shield version. Buy the shield, i am looking to buy soon too
Don't be afraid to go with a pc model. There is no more noticeable noise or flash. This is all hype from the ones that don't own one. The current models are either pc shield or standard shield. There is not a 1.0 version. And the way the shield's sales are I see no need in a 2.0 shield.
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Besides the safety issues with regard to firing from retention with a ported weapon, there are ammo limitations as well. I like to buy ammo that's on sale, specifically Blazer Brass and Federal 115 and 124g, both of which should not be utilized in a ported weapon. There are warnings on the back of the box that state "not to be fired in ported weapons" or words to that effect. I confirmed with CS reps of both companies and they stated that the copper covering is thin and can shear off and be expended through the ports. No thank you not worth the risk!!
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Obviously based on the other threads here, there are those of us who like our PC Shields and those who will not buy one. That discussion is probably secondary to the original question.
The PC Shield already has a trigger upgrade over stock (plus sights, etc) so I may be wrong but i'm thinking the main change to a hypothetical 2.0 PC could be the grip texture. If that would be the case, then one could buy what they want now and add a grip sleeve or grip tape.
The PC Shield already has a trigger upgrade over stock (plus sights, etc) so I may be wrong but i'm thinking the main change to a hypothetical 2.0 PC could be the grip texture. If that would be the case, then one could buy what they want now and add a grip sleeve or grip tape.
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You left out the extra beef in the frame, IMHO the most important change. But you add to the thought that it might be awhile, if they do it at all.
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ooops forgot about that part, didn't even consider it on the small single stack design like the Shield.
Guess 2.0 can just stand for a new model lineup, may not mean each caliber/style would share the exact same upgrades.
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On the federal, that is only the very lowest level (typically Walmart) it's not all Federal 115gr. Not sure on the Blazer, that could be all. I shot thousands of these with no issues from my PC shield and full size. Once I learned of it, I switched to the Winchester white box for a little more.
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Question:
Why would you wait for something that you don't even know is ever coming?
Why would you wait for something that you don't even know is ever coming?
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Agree on the Federal, next step up for Blazer is Speer Lawman I think. Moving up to the next tier in any company's ammo line increases my cost to shoot at the range. I'm a cheap son of a *****!!
Firing from retention was by far my biggest concern. "Murphy's Law" ALWAYS influences my decisions when it comes to safety!!
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One time porting took my sister out on a date and after impregnating her it blinded 13 bystanders and caused 11 type 9.3B malfunctions. Oh wait, none of that is true. I carried a G23C on duty for years. I ran it through dozens of courses, SWAT courses, firearms instructor courses, drilled with it, rolled in the mud with it, shot it from cars, shot it from every position imaginable, shot it indoors, shot it at night, shot practice ammo, shot +P+ ammo, and after way more rounds than most people would ever put through their Shield's in a lifetime I retired it with all of my body parts intact and no damage to my eye balls or epidermis. Never even came close to losing my sight or my skin. Neither did anyone else in my department who had G22C or G23C's.
I am personally waiting for the M2.0 compact. And knowing that S&W will be M2.0'ing pretty much everything over the next 2-5 years, I am going to just hold out until it arrives. Of course I have a few M1.0 compacts so it is much easier for me to be patient. Might pick up a Shield Pro Series while I wait, just because.
I am personally waiting for the M2.0 compact. And knowing that S&W will be M2.0'ing pretty much everything over the next 2-5 years, I am going to just hold out until it arrives. Of course I have a few M1.0 compacts so it is much easier for me to be patient. Might pick up a Shield Pro Series while I wait, just because.
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I want to thank everyone for their opinions and advice. I carry a Shield in 40 S&W and was looking at the 9mm ported shield as a new toy. It's been a while and I think I need another shield as an excuse to go to the club and compare the two. Thanks again!
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Yep, pretty much nailed the issue on post #2
. Also, as I understand, porting drains off a decent bit of pressure/velocity that these smaller pistols just don't have to spare. We're always hearing the pro-porting guys arguing that the downsides are overblown. Maybe so, but who cares? The real question is are there any tangible, substantive benefits, especially as it equates to lost velocity and increased cost ? (that would be a 'no').
Most of the rationale disputing this will invarably involve ridiculous, low probablity scenarios involving hypothetical rapid-fire gun battles with multiple assailants in the 7-11 or Walmart parking lot.
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I hope for a M2.0 Shield one day as well, however not a PC model. If a M2.0 Shield has the same upgraded trigger as the PC model but not ported, then I'll buy it. (I have a PC Shield 9mm.)
Before the M2.0 Shield, I want S&W to release a M2.0 Compact model.
Before the M2.0 Shield, I want S&W to release a M2.0 Compact model.
I also have had zero issues with ported pistols. I do have a question though....Since G23C is .40 cal what is +P+ in a .40? Or do you mean you used a conversion barrel? And if so how did those parts line up with the ports in the Glock slide?
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Well porting for me is strictly a competition gun never a carry gun. The reason two fold 1. Noise is pretty intense and with noise you also have muzzle flash not always a serious problem but it is there.2. If you draw and are in close very possible to get hurt by blast coming from ports doesn't sound like much but put your finger at the cylinder and barrel gap on a revolver and it can be bad.. have seen what happened by accident and well they needed stitches and couldn't use there hand for awhile.. ha e a shield 9mm original and am very happy with it did do trigger work and new sights but gun runs great and is easy to carry so not sure what they are going to change but don't see it being huge and yes I'd still have trigger do e e enough on the new one...
Well porting for me is strictly a competition gun never a carry gun. The reason two fold 1. Noise is pretty intense and with noise you also have muzzle flash not always a serious problem but it is there.2. If you draw and are in close very possible to get hurt by blast coming from ports doesn't sound like much but put your finger at the cylinder and barrel gap on a revolver and it can be bad.. have seen what happened by accident and well they needed stitches and couldn't use there hand for awhile.. ha e a shield 9mm original and am very happy with it did do trigger work and new sights but gun runs great and is easy to carry so not sure what they are going to change but don't see it being huge and yes I'd still have trigger do e e enough on the new one...
I myself don't own a ported gun and have no future plans to, but I have seen a lot of compressed and retention firing positions in ECQ(extreme close-quarter) FOF(Force-on-Force) where porting seems like it could very well cause a serious problem. Potentially negatively affecting the eyes/vision would be the biggest concern porting presents from my perspective. I don't know what the probability of that happening would be, but I don't see any benefit you are gaining in return significant enough to take the risk in addition to the lose in bullet velocity. And remember, you won't likely be wearing safety glasses during an actual defense scenario.
Here's a suggested test recommendation I came across...
"Borrow a ported gun, and a piece of light cardboard. Hold the cardboard above the gun, about where your body would be if you were firing from retention. Touch off however many rounds you think are appropriate for a death struggle. If you're not worried about how the cardboard looks, go ahead and port your carry gun."
Nearly every reputable and/or well known defensive shooting instructor advises against porting on a handgun intended for self-defense as far as I know. There's some pretty heavy hitters quoted below. So, are they all uninformed, lacking experience and/or lying?....
"The biggest negative thing I see with the porting is that if you have to fire from a retention position, it will blast hot gases and debris up toward your eyes. That's not just a distraction; it could cause permanent vision damage, and at the worst possible time.
Guns that are magna-ported, hybrid-ported or otherwise compensated in such a way that they vent gases and gunpowder particles upward. The burning powder particles and hot gases can strike the shooter in the eyes, temporarily blinding them, disorienting them, and possibly causing permanent loss of some degree of vision."
- Massad Ayoob
" Burning gases are capable of inflicting severe wounds to any flesh that is nearby, and the jet that comes out of the compensator can contain small particles of combustion material. These particles can be forced into an unprotected eye, causing severe pain and sometimes permanent damage. For this reason, compensators aren't usually recommended on self-defense guns, where they might be fired in close-quarters."
- Grant Cunningham
"I don't like ported barrels on self-defense guns nor do I care for them on range training guns. The clearest danger is the risk of hot, explosive gases vented up into the shooters eyes and face."
- Michael de Bethencourt
"Ported barrels can be downright dangerous when fired from retention. I have personally seen where what appeared to be part of the jacket embed itself into the face of one of our officers during retention training. Even if no hard particles leave the port, the gas definitely is directed straight into your face."
- Mike Moore, Gunsite Academy Instructor
"I have zero use for the comped Glocks. I have seen people injured from shooting them from retention and not getting the gun canted outboard enough before pulling the trigger."
- Chuck Haggard
"I do know one thing about the retention position. It sucks when one is using a ported gun!!!"
- Marty Hayes
"Compensated Glocks--retention shooting is miserable, flash is increased, and I am aware of one organization that had reliability issues with them due to debris build-up."
- Dr. Gary Roberts aka DocGKR
U.S.Army Ranger Nick Irving on ported handguns Ported Barrels For Your Pistol...Good or Bad?
'I ran my Glock19C during live fire and had some issues with the muzzle blast during several positions. I had to switch to a regular Glock 19 after my nose and mouth were bleeding.' - John Rooks after attending Shivworks/Craig Douglas'(Southnarc) ECQC class.
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