Sig 320 ADs: 500,000 Defective Guns Are Out There, Folks

[Bullseye 2620]

This story from CNN is worth reading in its entirety. Several LEOs have been wounded because of ADs resulting from a defective trigger group. Sig repaired the 320s that were going to the military, but apparently did nothing proactively to correct the problem in the 500,000 of these pistols destined for the civilian market. Most of them are still out there.

Gun manufacturer waited months to warn the public its pistol could fire when dropped - CNN

also see this:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA[/ame]

 

[pawngal]

I had one and sold it shortly after the upgrade was announced Was sure to tell the buyer about it.

The key is Don't drop your gun! It isn't the only one the will fire if dropped. Local gun show promoter had a Magnum Research 1911 fall out of his piece of **** holster at the gun show and it fired. Couple of people were slightly wounded.

Consider the CNN source..........

 

[paulh]

Mine was returned for the upgrade. They contacted me about it.

 

[Old_Cop]

I am sure that the number is less than 500,000 since the upgrade has been in effect for 8 or 9 months. I don't expect that Sig will release the number repaired. I am always wary when CNN is reporting on a story almost a year old.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

CNN is now a source we can rely upon for firearms-related reporting?

 

[Bullseye 2620]

Folks, the reason I posted the video clip from Omaha Outdoors was to confirm CNN's reporting from a demonstrably pro-gun source.

The story has been confirmed by many others, but there are still a lot of potentially dangerous guns out there. The goal is not to pillory Sig Arms, or CNN for that matter, but rather to encourage anyone who may have one of these guns to send it back for the repair without delay. After looking at the x-ray of that Virginia sheriff's femur, I was very much concerned and I have called two friends who I know own these guns to make sure that they know about the problem.

There is only a 6% difference in the weights of the new (safe, lighter) triggers and the old ones. What a difference a few grams makes.

 

[Absalom]

CNN is now a source we can rely upon for firearms-related reporting?

I actually didn’t take the whole thing seriously until I read that CNN story, which was very well researched and had a lot of first-hand information from departments actually affected. Up to then it had mostly been discussed in the firearms blogosphere which is overpopulated by people who copy rumors from each other to have enough to write about.

 

[JayFramer]

Well at least the slides aren't flying off and decapitation Navy SEALs like that OTHER service pistol...

 

[LVSteve]

Isn't this old news and Sig have the solution? So somebody managed to find an unmodified gun that still AD'd at the PERFECT angle. Big. Deal.

 

[Absalom]

Please explain the mechanics of the problem

If you watch the video from Omaha Outdoors, the answer is not mechanics, but simple physics. It is rather flabbergasting to watch the slo-mo footage.

At the specified angle (which is not part of the official drop tests and thus was missed), the force vectors working on the trigger are such that the momentum of the trigger’s mass keeps it moving sufficiently when the gun stops. Boom.

Reduce the trigger’s mass = problem solved. Isaac Newton can go home

 

[TAROMAN]

CNN is the last source I would ever look to for firearms information.
Weren't they the ones pushing the "plastic Glock invisible to metal detectors" story?
Their weapons guide for accurate reporting:

 

[bigwheelzip]

My in-law's new neighbor in Florida mentioned he had one of those SIGs. When I told him about the problem, his response was "it works fine for me", and he had no intention of sending it in. Probably a lot of folks like that.

 

[Bullseye 2620]

CNN is the last source I would ever look to for firearms information.
Weren't they the ones pushing the "plastic Glock invisible to metal detectors" story?
Their weapons guide for accurate reporting:

Here's two pictures that tell more of the real truth than that so-called "weapons guide." They're of Deputy Sheriff Marcie Vadnais of Loudon County, Virginia and her shattered right femur which resulted from a defective SIG 320:

 

[Papa32129]

Only Sig has the correct number. My Fire control unit has been upgraded and my original slide and grip module. Upgraded.

Separate X change kits also have to be upgraded.


Papa

 

[paulh]

Did she drop it?

 

[Scorpion520AZ]

In 2018 it's inexcusable for any field duty-issue handgun to discharge when dropped from any height at any angle on any surface.

 

[Bullseye 2620]

Did she drop it?

According to the Loudon County Sheriff's Office, she was merely removing the weapon from its holster when the AD occurred. There's more detail in the papers filed in the pending lawsuit.

 

[paulh]

That's a hard pill to swallow. Glad mine is pointing away from me in the bedpost mount

 

[LVSteve]

According to the Loudon County Sheriff's Office, she was merely removing the weapon from its holster when the AD occurred. There's more detail in the papers filed in the pending lawsuit.

Well if the weapon wasn't dropped it seems to be an entirely new problem. Are we SURE it wasn't operator error or bad holster design? Lots of Youtube chatter about Serpa holsters being cursed when it comes to ADs. IIRC the shooting school out here has banned them on their courses.

 

[Absalom]

According to the CNN report, there are several separate cases being litigated. You can bet that both sides in each case will bring in expertise at levels way above internet forum analysis. If it is any problem besides the gun, Sig will make sure everybody hears about it.