Sight regulation?

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Anyone ever tested their revolvers with fixed sights to see wheich laods shoot closest to point of aim? I got to thinking about this because my post-war HD seems to shoot dead on with the standard (of the time) 158/850 load. I haven't tried it but I suspect it will shoot low with the faster 38/44 load. Also wondering about the M58... the lead "police load" or the full-power JHPs closer to the sights? Other guns?

Anybody checked this out?
 
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Anyone ever tested their revolvers with fixed sights to see wheich laods shoot closest to point of aim? I got to thinking about this because my post-war HD seems to shoot dead on with the standard (of the time) 158/850 load. I haven't tried it but I suspect it will shoot low with the faster 38/44 load. Also wondering about the M58... the lead "police load" or the full-power JHPs closer to the sights? Other guns?

Anybody checked this out?
 
In experimenting with a number of different handloads, there was significant variation but I found a couple which shoot exactly to POA in my 4" 681. Others seem to shoot to the left or low. Low (or high) is understandable because of bullet weight. The windage is an interesting phenomenon. Fortunately, a 140gr Rem JHP backed by 12.1gr Blue Dot is one of my favorite 357 Mag loads and puts them right in the middle.
 
Sure, back in the "day" many police officers had to buy their own guns. We used to check out our fixed sight guns with a variety of loads, both factory and handloaded. We bought and/or traded a lot of M&Ps trying to find one that was "perfect."

Never saw a Smith M&P, or Model 10 that didn't shoot almost exactly to POA with 158 grain lead Remington or Winchester standard old timey police loads.

Colt OPs did the same.

But, we were in the "modern" era back then. We had the new Super-Vels and Normas. And they didn't shoot to POA with ANY of the guns we tested. None of them did.
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As to the "windage" difference, that's pretty common. With rifles, I can load everything exactly the same, except for the brand of brass and one will shoot to POA, while the other shoots left or right.

The only solution we knew of for using the new, faster 38s, was adjustable sight revolvers. So, I got a S&W Model 19-3 in, IIRC, November of 1970. I'd had, at an earlier time, a 6" Highway Patrolman, but had relegated that to Bullseye Competition because of the weight.


The blades on those adjustable sighted revolvers took a lot of abuse, hitting door jams, bumping various things. I just got mine out and noticed how I'd "rounded" the square edges on the outside of the sight blades to eliminate the various dings caused by carry in those Hume Jordan holsters.

With the Model 36s/37s, we just learned to live with the difference in height and found a load that shot at least in line with the sight (not left or right).

Again, back then, we often used the hollow based wadcutter with 5 gr. of Red Dot that Skeeter told us about. It shot pretty close in my snubbies.

As a Detective in '73, I found the newest model of Police Positive, 4", to shoot pretty close with the Norma 110 gr. hollowpoints so that worked for me.

When I went back to Patrol as a uniformed Sergeant in '74 I carried the Bianchi Judge holster that protected the sights.

But, I always wanted a Smith fixed sight for carry that would shoot those "hot' loads to POA. Never found one.

Bob
 
Yes, I have worked up handloads loads that shoot best in all my firearms fixed sights or not. I've got the fastest, flatest shooting loads for my AR, mini-14, 8MM Mauser, MAK-90, 700 rem. I've also got target and combat loads that shoot to POA for my 1911, M66, M60. It took a long time and lot of supplies to work them all up but I've got'em and I make'em in bulk!
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With a RCBS progressive loader.
 
Also wondering about the M58... the lead "police load" or the full-power JHPs closer to the sights?

My guess would be the police load for the 58- that seemed to be its intended purpose. Since the 57 had adjustable sights and was available with a 6" barrel, it would have been better suited to a variety of different loads for either defense or hunting.
 
Also wondering about the M58... the lead "police load" or the full-power JHPs closer to the sights?

The two Model 58s I have owned shot the police load closer POA/POI than they did the Remington jacketed soft nose magnums. One required considerable adjustment. One was (is) close enough.

Back when I could see, I could regularly hit a quarter-size target at 10-yards, or a bit more. If the gun wouldn't do it with the quarter sitting on top of the front sight, it wasn't close enough. These days, I would be lucky to see the quarter.
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The above discussion is why I like fixed sight revolvers for "serious" use. Hunting and target shooting is an entirely different environment and I can tolerate an adjustable sight, but for a carry gun I want fixed sights, and I will take care of the rest with Kentucky windage and Tennessee elevation.
 

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