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A few years ago I was given a bunch of old ammo and some of it was 30-30 FMJ RN - I had never seen FMJ 30-30 ammo before - maybe it was some Sing-Sing stuff?
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The boxes read "180 Gr M C Bullet". They are round nosed, not spire pointed. Not sure what the guards carried.
Some of that showed up on another forum a few weeks ago.
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The Remington brand should be 160 grain round nose. I have several boxes. Winchester built both 160 and 170 grain full metal jacket round nose ammo. Winchester even built 170 grain full metal jacket boat tailed ammo. I acquired 2 cases of the Winchester 170 grain ammo from Sing Sing and is so labeled. Could you check the box again and see if it says 160 or 180?
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I was looking at the picture. When I blew it up it was a bit grainy and I misread the numbers. The ammo does not belong to me. It is in a friends shop. He got it in the door in a trade. It is sold pending funds to someone locally.
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Here's the handguns they used:
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Very cool!
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At one time, Remington Models 8 and 81 semiautomatic rifles in .30 Remington were fairly popular LE and prison guard guns. The .30 Remington is essentially a rimless .30-30. Much of the ammunition used for such applications had the 170 grain FMJ RN bullet. I have four boxes of such ammunition from the early 1960s, packed in "white" boxes. The FBI .30 Rem ammunition was packed in commercial Remington boxes, but loaded lighter than standard (the FBI's Remington rifles allegedly used a lighter recoil spring). No idea why the FBI wanted to use lighter loads.
In my collection, I have several .270 Winchester cartridges with FMJ spitzer bullets. I have always believed there was probably some LE connection, but have never been able to confirm that. I cannot imagine anyone would use them for hunting. See below:
In my collection, I have several .270 Winchester cartridges with FMJ spitzer bullets. I have always believed there was probably some LE connection, but have never been able to confirm that. I cannot imagine anyone would use them for hunting. See below:
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Cool post! Ah yes, the versatile 30-30, it's not just for paper plates and white tail deer.
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At one time, Remington Models 8 and 81 semiautomatic rifles in .30 Remington were fairly popular LE and prison guard guns. The .30 Remington is essentially a rimless .30-30. Much of the ammunition used for such applications had the 170 grain FMJ RN bullet. I have four boxes of such ammunition from the early 1960s, packed in "white" boxes. The FBI .30 Rem ammunition was packed in commercial Remington boxes, but loaded lighter than standard (the FBI's Remington rifles allegedly used a lighter recoil spring). No idea why the FBI wanted to use lighter loads.
In my collection, I have several .270 Winchester cartridges with FMJ spitzer bullets. I have always believed there was probably some LE connection, but have never been able to confirm that. I cannot imagine anyone would use them for hunting. See below:
The .270 was fairly popular in South Africa, for hunting.Some used FMJ bullets for larger game in such calibers as 7X57mm/.275 Rigby.
No idea if any FMJ .270 was sold there. The 7mm bullets had round noses. I think some .30-06 ammo was loaded with 220 grain RN FMJ bullets. Some used it for elephants and rhinos. Later, game laws in Kenya and Tanganyika required a minimum bore of .375 or .400 for really big game.
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[quote:;139873518]Here's the handguns they
handguns they used.
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The Colt New Service was then also the NY State Trooper sidearm.
handguns they used.
The Colt New Service was then also the NY State Trooper sidearm.
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160 grain and it is round nosed not a spire point.
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I am guessing mid 40's to mid 60's.
At one time, Remington Models 8 and 81 semiautomatic rifles in .30 Remington were fairly popular LE and prison guard guns. The .30 Remington is essentially a rimless .30-30. Much of the ammunition used for such applications had the 170 grain FMJ RN bullet. I have four boxes of such ammunition from the early 1960s, packed in "white" boxes. The FBI .30 Rem ammunition was packed in commercial Remington boxes, but loaded lighter than standard (the FBI's Remington rifles allegedly used a lighter recoil spring). No idea why the FBI wanted to use lighter loads.
In my collection, I have several .270 Winchester cartridges with FMJ spitzer bullets. I have always believed there was probably some LE connection, but have never been able to confirm that. I cannot imagine anyone would use them for hunting. See below:
That 270 is interesting as I know of no 270 that has ever been loaded with fmj's. What head stamp does it have?
As for 30-30 class cartridges being loaded with fmj bullets, this was quite common in years past. Most had no LE applications but were used by fur hunters. Cartridges like the 25 Rem, 25-35, 250 Savage, 25-20, 32-20, 38-40, 44-40, 30-30, 30 Rem, 32 Rem, 35 rem, 303 Savage, 32-40, 38-55 to name a few were factory loaded with fmj bullets for fur hunters. A huge outlaw grizzly bear from Utah was taken by a sheep herder using a 23-35 and fmj ammo. It took all 9 of his rounds of ammo to get it killed. The sorry state of fmj bullets manufactured today is for the neophyte hunters. Usually these are pointed boat tails, almost useless for hunting. In days of old experienced hunters wanted round or flat nose fmj bullets for straight penetration and minimal tumbling.
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Can you show the head stamp on that 270 cartridge?
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"That 270 is interesting as I know of no 270 that has ever been loaded with fmj's. What head stamp does it have? "
"Can you show the head stamp on that 270 cartridge?"
All headstamps are SUPER-X 270 WIN (which is Western). I posted an inquiry on the IAA forum several years ago about those unusual .270s and no one there knew what they were at that time. I found that strange, as those guys who frequent the IAA forum know everything, no matter how arcane. One answer was that "revenuers" may have used them for shooting up illicit stills, but that doesn't make much sense to me on several levels. I do not remember exactly where I got those rounds. But then I don't remember where I picked up most of the rounds in my ammo collection which is something greater than 2,000 individual specimens and several hundred boxes.
Regarding hunting calibers with FMJ bullets, most of those sold to hunters were fairly lightly loaded with lighter weight bullets and used principally for making finishing shots on wounded larger game or shooting small game at close range where full power loads were unnecessary. I have a few like that in my collection. I don't think any such cartridges have been made for a very long time.
"Can you show the head stamp on that 270 cartridge?"
All headstamps are SUPER-X 270 WIN (which is Western). I posted an inquiry on the IAA forum several years ago about those unusual .270s and no one there knew what they were at that time. I found that strange, as those guys who frequent the IAA forum know everything, no matter how arcane. One answer was that "revenuers" may have used them for shooting up illicit stills, but that doesn't make much sense to me on several levels. I do not remember exactly where I got those rounds. But then I don't remember where I picked up most of the rounds in my ammo collection which is something greater than 2,000 individual specimens and several hundred boxes.
Regarding hunting calibers with FMJ bullets, most of those sold to hunters were fairly lightly loaded with lighter weight bullets and used principally for making finishing shots on wounded larger game or shooting small game at close range where full power loads were unnecessary. I have a few like that in my collection. I don't think any such cartridges have been made for a very long time.
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I'd shoot it. Probably still good.
Never understood the collectors whoops and whollers over "collectible old ammo". Really nonsensical. Ammo is like air, you don't think much about it till you ain't got none. It was made to be fired. So shoot it, don't gawk at it.
Never understood the collectors whoops and whollers over "collectible old ammo". Really nonsensical. Ammo is like air, you don't think much about it till you ain't got none. It was made to be fired. So shoot it, don't gawk at it.
Regarding hunting calibers with FMJ bullets, most of those sold to hunters were fairly lightly loaded with lighter weight bullets and used principally for making finishing shots on wounded larger game or shooting small game at close range where full power loads were unnecessary. I have a few like that in my collection. I don't think any such cartridges have been made for a very long time.[/QUOTE]
About all the fmj loaded ammo was loaded up to factory maximum from the cartridges,that I have studied. The ammo I believe you are referring to was loaded and labeled either "short range" or "miniature". These were loaded quite light with lightweight bullets, 90 and 100 grain lead bullets for the 30-30. These were used to hunt small game with your high power. I have used non expanding bullets on 2 mule deer and one bull elk. An antelope buck was taken this year with a factory soft point that did not expand, so it was a solid, and all were recovered. Not recommended and illegal in most states. I carry 5 round of fmj in all calibers for the just in case situations.
About all the fmj loaded ammo was loaded up to factory maximum from the cartridges,that I have studied. The ammo I believe you are referring to was loaded and labeled either "short range" or "miniature". These were loaded quite light with lightweight bullets, 90 and 100 grain lead bullets for the 30-30. These were used to hunt small game with your high power. I have used non expanding bullets on 2 mule deer and one bull elk. An antelope buck was taken this year with a factory soft point that did not expand, so it was a solid, and all were recovered. Not recommended and illegal in most states. I carry 5 round of fmj in all calibers for the just in case situations.
