Smith & Wesson revolver 1970's

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...I am just sorry that my introduction to this forum resulted in mostly ridicule. I can take a joke as good as the next guy but this got way out of hand. I am not writing this to be arrogant so no need to come back at me.

Maxshadow, I am speaking for myself, but I don't believe that most of us intended to appear that we were ridiculing you - just having a little good-natured fun with the topic.

There are gun forums on the net that are way rougher than this one but do not have a fraction of the knowledge to share. As Murphydog says, the dealer gave some really bad advice, and if you have further interest in S&Ws, I hope you will return.
 
I'll apologize for my part in it. I figured you weren't serious, so again I apologize. The M17 you are asking about good very well be a fine gun. There were some quality control issues in the '70's, no question about that. But plenty of decent specimens were made in that time period, too. There is no need to write a gun off from that period without looking at it. Check it out for fit and function. If it checks out, you like it, and the price is fair, go for it.

Edit to add - I just looked at one of my M17's, a 17-3. It has a 5k serial number like the one you are considering. It is excellent in every respect.
 
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I'd like to apologize to the OP for my previous post which was deleted. I was assuming this was a troll thread.
 
Welcome everyone, bring your questions and observations. We here at S&W forum will be glad to respond, especially to very new folks, even if we ASSUMED you were not serious, just wanted to have fun "with the topic", or thought you were a Trool, otherwise, welcome aboard the board!!
 
Welcome aboard and I really did watch the Castro Parade on Wall Street. We got snookered for sure by him but S&W revolvers are the real thing. Poorly made S&W's are still better than the competitions guns.
 
Welcome to the Forum, maxshadow.

By now, the serious posts have shown you that the dealer that you dealt with in the 1970s was ill-informed about S&Ws. The company did turn out some shoddy guns in that time period, but the majority were quality.
 
Welcome to the forum.
Honestly, I had a laugh at the topic and some of the stories made up regarding S&W and Cuba.

This forum is one of the best on the Net and some of the best hearted people you will meet. Not too many like it.

Hope you return and take a big interest in S&W firearms.
 
I am not a Smith & Wesson collector. My brother & I purchased 2 Smith & Wessons in the mid 1970's which were a Model 19 & Model 27. Both of these firearms had problems. Sticky cylinder when opened on the Model 27 & sticky cylinder rotation on the Model 19 which made the hammer hard to pull back. A guy at the gunshop also brought back his S & W 22 magnum, don't know the model and had the same problem as the Model 19. The gun dealer said that S & W is of poor quaility ever since they went to that Cuban factory in Bangor Punta. He never said it was Bangor Punta, Florida. He made it sound like they were mfg. there. We got rid of our revolvers then & that was the end of it until just recently when a guy I work with offered me a Model17, new in the box. I would like to buy it from him but didn't want to run into problems like the above because he said he bought it in the 70's. That was my question. To find out if you S & W collectors knew anything about these problems and if they fell into the same serial number range which I gave in my initial post. Excuse me for my ignorance in saying made in Cuba. Thanks to the few that gave me professional answers because the majority of them just made fun of me. I have been on a lot of forums where on some I participated & some I just read and sometimes I was right & sometimes I was wrong but I was never ridiculed like this. I am glad I don't have anymore S & W questions. I am just sorry that my introduction to this forum resulted in mostly ridicule. I can take a joke as good as the next guy but this got way out of hand. I am not writing this to be arrogant so no need to come back at me.


PLEASE don't judge all of us on the actions/words of a few. There is a 'clique' here that pretty much has the run of the place as to who and what they insult. The vast majority here are good people who will help a new guy.
Why it's permitted I really don't know but ask your questions, learn, have fun, and ignore the clowns. Any Shrink can tell you that people of that ilk are trying desperately to compensate for some shortcomings so they pick on the new guys. Happens here a LOT.
If you have any questions that you think will get the 'pile on gang' on you again shoot me a P.M. and if I can't answer I will forward it to a civil person who will. We are all not jerks.
 
It is interesting how some threads develop.


Thanks for giving the new member a serious answer. This place is not very tolerant of new and misinformed members. I'm sure that the members that gave the cute answers were born a genius and never had to learn anything.


We generally frown on picking at and poking a new poster.
PMRet states it very well here.
On the contrary, I'm sure most of us here learn something new every day, I know I do. My observation has been that most folks here are very tolerant of new members, and try to answer even the most basic questions patiently, no matter how many times they are asked. The flip side is that most new members display a genuine interest in learning, and post their questions in a respectful manner, for lack of a better term. In this case I think most folks gave the OP a pass on the Cuba statement in his first post. However, when he came back with the obvious attitude displayed in post #6, as Maximumbob54 said, it was on. Not trying to stir controversy, just my thoughts on the situation, worth what you paid for them...





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I am not a Smith &Wesson collector. My brother & I purchased 2 Smith & Wessons in the mid 1970's which were a Model 19 & Model 27. Both of these firearms had problems. Sticky cylinder when opened on the Model 27 & sticky cylinder rotation on the Model 19 which made the hammer hard to pull back. A guy at the gunshop also brought back his S & W 22 magnum, don't know the model and had the same problem as the Model 19. The gun dealer said that S & W is of poor quaility ever since they went to that Cuban factory in Bangor Punta. He never said it was Bangor Punta, Florida. He made it sound like they were mfg. there. We got rid of our revolvers then & that was the end of it until just recently when a guy I work with offered me a Model17, new in the box. I would like to buy it from him but didn't want to run into problems like the above because he said he bought it in the 70's. That was my question. To find out if you S & W collectors knew anything about these problems and if they fell into the same serial number range which I gave in my initial post. Excuse me for my ignorance in saying made in Cuba. Thanks to the few that gave me professional answers because the majority of them just made fun of me. I have been on a lot of forums where on some I participated & some I just read and sometimes I was right & sometimes I was wrong but I was never ridiculed like this. I am glad I don't have anymore S & W questions. I am just sorry that my introduction to this forum resulted in mostly ridicule. I can take a joke as good as the next guy but this got way out of hand. I am not writing this to be arrogant so no need to come back at me.
Read your post again.
We still DON'T condone bashing new guys, but you absolutely brought this on yourself.
You said- "I am not a Smith & Wesson collector."
Okayyyyy- the fellow you contradict below IS an S&W collector. Probably in the top 5 or 10 S&W collectors in the world. You might note he is an "Expert Commentator" here on this forum.
As someone else stated, he is Chairman of the Board of the S&W Historical Foundation.
He is a past President of the S&W Collectors Association.
He is currently the Treasurer of the S&W Collectors Association.
He is a noted author and researcher on the history and variations of 44 Magnums.
He is a major contributor of data to the authors of the Standard Catalog of S&W.
In a broader sense, the people participating here on this board are the most advanced group of collectors and students of S&W that you will find on this planet.
So, naturally, when a new guy shows up and makes an erroneous statement, and then argues with answers stating real facts from bona fide experts, we can expect some chiding to ensue.

You also state- "That was my question. To find out if you S & W collectors knew anything about these problems....."
This begs the question:
If you won't take our word on where they were made, why should we think you'll take any answer we give as factual?

I suppose I may be uninformed, but to my knowledge, S&W never manufactured any of their products in Cuba.

Bill

Yes, Smith & Wesson had the revolvers made in Cuba in the 70's. That is why a lot of the guns that were mfg. there had poor quality control. Example, mine & my brothers. Once again, does anyone have any idea when my friends Model 17 was made? Thanks.
 
First off I didn't write anything with an attitude and if anyone felt I had an attitude they are wrong. When I said Yes, on #6 post I still thought that they were made in Cuba & that is why I wrote #58 post explaining why I believed they were made in Cuba because my gun dealer (who now I know was misinformed at the time) told me that and also said that is why mine was poor quality. The reason why I didn't take anybody serious at first was because they bashed my statement right from the beginning. After I wrote post #6 then some forum members explained the situation to me but the nonsense about Cuba continued by others. I know where you are coming from by calling them S & W experts but I have to say many of them didn't come off like that at first. No, I don't think I brought this on myself by being misinformed. Just a serious answer would have confirmed it. I wanted to ask a S & W question about a S & W gun I wanted to purchase so I surfed for a S & W forum and found this one. I am sorry that I am not an avid S & W collector but I felt regardless I could come to a S & W forum for help.
 
Max, with all due respect, any attitude issues totally aside, by your own admission you asked for advice then corrected those who had given you some.

Having been down that road many times when it comes to drum related advice, asked for advice then ignored when it was given, that I've even resorted to saying, after a certain point, "please tell me the answers you seek and it will save us both a lot of time."

The only reason I say this is because it can be frustrating giving advice, solicited advice, only to be corrected.

Please don't let this thread sour you on the forum.
There are plenty of people here willing to share what they know.
 
Anyone else just now see the ad for Insightcuba at the top of this page? I think we may be on to something.

Seriously Max, a huge welcome to the forum. We're glad you've taken the time the join. It's too bad you were wronged by the gun dealer. He probably acted like he was doing you guys a favor by "taking them off of your hands". Those are very desirable models. It's said that the Bangor Punta era of S&W had some quality control issues, but I say it's still the most popular era.

Again, a big welcome. Start a clean slate by posting pictures of your next S&W.
 
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I guess I should just let this go, and hope I don't hurt any ones feelings here, but I think everyone here took this as a joke due to the fact that there has been a trade embargo on Cuba since the Eisenhower administration. Also U.S. citizens were not allowed to travel to Cuba from, I think Kennedy's administration until, I think, Carter allowed travel there in the late 70s, maybe 1977.
I believe the Cuban missile crisis and the alignment with the Cuban goverment with the former Soviet Union is common knowledge, and anyone old enough to buy handguns in the 1970s would know U.S. companies would not have factories in Communist friendly countries, not to mention the S&W's are marked made in the U.S.A. I was in my early teens in the 1970s and I was aware of all this.
I don't have any trouble seeing how some one has a question about aspects of manufacture or anything else concerning S&W's, but the total lack of knowledge of our nation's history with, and policies concerning Cuba is a little hard to grasp.
 
I agree RalphK22. That was my thought too. I thought it was a joke. Everyone knows about the trade embargo with Cuba. ;)

John
 
Since I was one of the first to jump on this as a joke I admit my bad manners. I really thought that it was a big prank by the original poster. In October of 1962 I was with a group of young men getting ready to tour Cuba. To my relief the trip was called off.
 
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