So much for gun control as crime control

[LoboGunLeather]

The recent murder of a 32 year old woman in San Francisco, allegedly by an illegal alien with 7 prior felony convictions and 5 prior deportations, reportedly involved the use of a firearm stolen from the automobile of a federal agent.

Gun allegedly used by San Francisco shooting suspect belonged to federal agent, source says | Fox News

Let's see now:

Prior felony convictions, no lawful possession of a firearm.

Alien illegally in the US, no lawful possession of a firearm.

California "safe storage" laws, apparently these do not apply to federal officers.

Alleged perpetrator had been apprehended by ICE agents and turned over to sheriff on an arrest warrant, with immigration hold order placed. Prosecutor declined to proceed on the old drug case. Suspect released under San Francisco's "sanctuary" law, immigration hold ignored.

Difficult to see how gun control laws would prevent crimes like this from happening.

 

[Aticus]

I don't think you understand. If we outlaw the private possession of all guns then the only people who have guns will be the military and police. That will stop all gun violence. That's one of those common sense things we're all told about isn't it?

Now explain something to me. Recently one of our local TV stations did a piece about a local crime lab. They concentrated on guns. During that piece they talked about a black market on guns in the city. One of the lab techs said she had seen the same gun five times. The implication being that it was sold on the black market multiple times. My question was how did it get out of the evidence room/locker/ cage etc?

 

[k22fan]

[...] Now explain something to me. Recently one of our local TV stations did a piece about a local crime lab. They concentrated on guns. During that piece they talked about a black market on guns in the city. One of the lab techs said she had seen the same gun five times. The implication being that it was sold on the black market multiple times. My question was how did it get out of the evidence room/locker/ cage etc?

Could it have been returned to its owner each time after he/she used it for lawful self defense five times? You can count on the big news outlets distorting gun related stories largely be leaving out details. Their definition of "black market" tends to be rather broad. Five times does seem incredible but during the 1990s a Seattle taxi cab driver shot robbers on multiple occasions with his Security Six. It might have been close to five but I forget. In the last article I read on him the Seattle Times included the Lyman mold number and powder charge he used. I was surprised those details slipped past the editor.

 

[Brian41]

I remember a number of years ago the NRA Rifleman had an article about guns that were made on the black market in the Philippines. Some were rather crude but some were actually pretty well made. That article pretty much opened my eyes up to the fact that if you make gun ownership illegal many will find a way around it and if they can't find them on the black market will just make their own.

I used to do service work in people's homes and can't tell you the number of times I'd been offered guns for sale. One guy had three Japanese WWII handguns he wanted two hundred dollars for I wish I'd bought knowing what they'd be worth now. I did turn them down as we've had handgun registration here for years and they weren't registered. I've known several older guys that owned handguns not registered and either didn't know they should have been or didn't care. I had a WWII Navy flyer buddy that gave me a Ruger Red Eagle he'd never registered before he died. I did get it registered in my name as it was a pistol I didn't want to lose.
There are too many guns in this country now that registration or confiscation of them all would be impossible. While I don't like the idea the bad guys can get their hands on some I'm happy they can't control them all either.

 

[Rick_A]

If we outlaw the private possession of all guns then the only people who have guns will be the military and police.

Military, police (while on official duty), and criminals, that is.

 

[kozmic]

The entire situation is tragic and a calamity of errors and bad policy. Sadly, it was totally preventable.

Further comment will result in a time out from the hall monitors.

 

[Sconnie]

There are too many guns in this country now that registration or confiscation of them all would be impossible.

Yea, I am afraid I don't share your optimism on this one. And those who don't submit to the registration are made into criminals. And if it were to be a felony, otherwise law abiding citizens would lose their right to own another gun and vote...

But back to the OP, all of the gun laws you could think up would not have stopped the idiot from shooting the victim. Whether he shot the lady on purpose or in a reckless manner. Enforcing existing laws might have prevented this particular crime. Not gun laws though.

In one article I read that the shooter said he was high on sleeping pills and pot. But you won't hear a peep about making pot illegal...oh wait, it still is in California.

 

[finesse_r]

Could it have been returned to its owner each time after he/she used it for lawful self defense five times? You can count on the big news outlets distorting gun related stories largely be leaving out details. Their definition of "black market" tends to be rather broad. Five times does seem incredible but during the 1990s a Seattle taxi cab driver shot robbers on multiple occasions with his Security Six. It might have been close to five but I forget. In the last article I read on him the Seattle Times included the Lyman mold number and powder charge he used. I was surprised those details slipped past the editor.

It would be a minor miracle if it were to be returned to its rightful owner even once!!! LOL But 5 times. No way Jose!!!

 

[cowart]

There are too many guns in this country now that registration or confiscation of them all would be impossible. While I don't like the idea the bad guys can get their hands on some I'm happy they can't control them all either.

Actually, automobiles are a much bigger problem than guns. Far more people are killed each year by cars than firearms.

We need to have mandatory registration of all cars, and licensing of anybody who wants to operate one on a public road. That will clear this ugly situation right up.

 

[GB]

Just a little off topic and I am probably going to get a nastygram for saying this, but I think the shooter should be deported again. But instead of South maybe 12 miles West. Sharks gotta eat too!

 

[Kanewpadle]

I can't say what I'm thinking now cause I don't want to get dinged.

 

[don5]

You saw my vote, I mean like. That is where I stand. That is also what I , ahh nevermind..

 

[the ringo kid]

Well,members of congress said they will be pushing for this and making a law honoring Kate.Well see.This is one of the reasons why I still give BillO'Reilly a chance.

 

[andyo5]

I think that most of us already know that gun control is not about crime control. It is about disarming the public so they will be easier to control.

 

[rwsmith]

Taking my guns.......

Taking my guns would have a huge affect on crimes involving guns......NOT!!!

 

[Arik]

With all the ban this and ban that....soda, salt, flag, bad words, difference of opinion, fireworks, guns.....soon to be knives, pointy sticks, heavy objects, ....

You know what I'm waiting for? Remember the movie Demolition Man? Remember that society?