So now violate HIPPA LAWS and try and use executive action.
Obama taking action on gun background check system
Obama taking action on gun background check system
So now HE is going to do an end around and do it HIS way
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Redline911
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This is the most dangerous part of the "background check" system.
Have you taken Ambien because you've had trouble sleeping in the past? No guns.
Are you on any stimulants for ADHD or related problems? No guns.
Have you taken Ambien because you've had trouble sleeping in the past? No guns.
Are you on any stimulants for ADHD or related problems? No guns.
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Sounds like a good idea, keep folks like the VA Tech shooter, the Aurora shooter, etc. from legally buying guns.
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Because obtaining guns illegally is so hard?
How about if this goes through people with legitimate issues may not seek help?
How about the government doesn't need to know what I go to the doctor for?
Arik
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Not really. It will lead to people not going to doctors for otherwise legitimate reasons and because some drugs have double uses. For instance, there is a low level anti depressant that also cures athletes foot! A friend had that prescribed to him years ago. How would you like that prescribed to you?!?! Next thing you know your guns are taken away because of some foot fungus
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25elk
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It has consistently been "my way or the highway" since his first day in office. Do you seriously expect that to change? I don't.
So if you were treated for ADHD or depression at any point in your life you loose your 2nd amendment rights forever?
Bad move. People do get cured. They shouldn't have to be penalized forever.
Even worse is the government will be able to decide who is not normal? If anyone is abnormal it is most of our politicians.
Bad move. People do get cured. They shouldn't have to be penalized forever.
Even worse is the government will be able to decide who is not normal? If anyone is abnormal it is most of our politicians.
And you can take that further....
Do you have a child that has taken meds for ADHD in the home? No guns for you!
Do you have a relative that may visit that has taken a listed drug? No guns for you!
So now violate HIPPA LAWS and try and use executive action.
Obama taking action on gun background check system
I believe you analysis is flawed. Not that I think he wouldn't like to do it, but since it requires an adjudication to make a person prohibited for mental health reasons, what he is limited to is making the judicial decision easier to share.
That is, it takes an order by a judge that a person is dangerously mentally ill, it is a legal decision, not a medical one. I'm pretty sure that changing that requires legislation and can't be done by either executive order or a change in the CFR from HHS.
Whodathunkit?
USAF385
US Veteran
Hmmm any vets with PTSD.......
cussedemgun
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It seems to me - - -
Rather than 'background checks', why not move anyone on the no-buy list to New York, Chicago, Calif., Connecticut, or similarly restrictive places?
The no-buy guys would not have a reason to resist the local tyranny, & the freedom seekers would move out because of increased over-crowding.
A "win - win" situation if you ask me
Rather than 'background checks', why not move anyone on the no-buy list to New York, Chicago, Calif., Connecticut, or similarly restrictive places?
The no-buy guys would not have a reason to resist the local tyranny, & the freedom seekers would move out because of increased over-crowding.
A "win - win" situation if you ask me
Jyezahn
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Well, all of them are possible subversives and potential terrorists. Just ask Napolitano. I'm sure she knows all vets are suffering from PTSD, too.
We're all going to be suffering from PTSD when the current administration finally leaves office and we have another eight-years of similar stupidity staring us in the face.
OP
That is the "current" law. Having worked in a field that had a lot of HIPPA requirements I know something about how the Govt works.
"Even without Congress, my administration will keep doing everything it can to protect more of our communities," Obama said from the Rose Garden shortly after the Senate voted. "We're going to address the barriers that prevent states from participating in the existing background check system."
I do not think it is a stretch for the Govt to access your Medical records (which they have access to right now) and forward that to NCIS checks. If you read (not that is humanly possible) the entire Health Care Reform Act. hidden in there is access to all your financial information and health information.
My Wife works in the Medical Field, all data is now electronic and linked to all Doctors and Pharmacies. Everyone of them know who you have seen and what Meds you take and when you bought them.
Guess you never watched the X Files
or read 1984.It's already here. No I do not wear a tin foil hat. I have seen it.
The somewhat limited access to information I had was scary enough. Give me your name or address, tag number and I could tell you most anything about you. The Feds have a lot more and easier to access.
BJoe
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Hmmm, if you read the article, you'll note that it was not federal action, he is not a prohibited person under the definition, there is considerable question as to whether the NY law is constitutional and there is significant reason to think that he has a good cause of civil action.
Jyezahn
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Yes, I read it, and yes, I know this. That's not my point though. Apparently you missed it.
Maybe. Or maybe you just did an insufficient job making it.
Jyezahn
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No, pretty sure it should've been obvious to even a 5 yr old.
But here, since I must explain it to you: we all know "change" doesn't happen in one fell swoop. It starts with small steps. The NY SAFE Act is one small step, and once people get used to it, it can spread. Once it spreads, it can become Federal. Once... Do I really need to explain any further?
Despite the fact that this man may have a good case for lawsuit, doesn't change the fact that his records were used against him in the same manner that Obama wants to use records against everyone else.
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carpriver
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Yes I have PTSD, I have been treated and I am doing fine. I have not been before a judge and been judged as mentally ill. A true mental illness in a mental condition that has a set of reoccurring symptoms. Some being treated for depression or anxiety and not been adjudicated mentally ill should not have a problem. By the way PTSD fall under the anxiety disorder diagnoses section of the DSM IV.
Since I posted the above response I have read the other posts. In the New York case it was 1 case. and yes some one violated the HIPPA law. HIPPA is a long drawn out law that was suppose to protect a persons medical information from public view. The only people that were supposed to have access to those records was your doctor of record or medical team if your were being seen by more then one doctor and only your treating diagnose could be released to your insurance company. Information could not be relapsed to anyone else with out your permission, Now with all medical records being kept electronically it's any bodies guess how access is controlled, privacy is supposed to be protected.
When a person is brought before judge to determine mental state they are resented by an attorney. In the cases I have been associated with the lawyer can ask for and has brought in experts to prove the person is sane or competent. and the defense team can also call witness to prove incompetents. I don't think HIPPA covers court records, and that in it's self could be a problem. There are 17 states that do not release mental health information for the background check.
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jlrhiner
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Is there going to be a reward for turning you crazy gun owners in?
PTSD, no guns.
Combat vet, you've got PTSD, your're just not telling, no guns.
CMH winner no guns.
Retired LE, same as combat, no guns.
adjudicated.....no guns.
Right wing bumper sticker, no guns.
NRA member, go to jail, do not pass go.
Combat vet, you've got PTSD, your're just not telling, no guns.
CMH winner no guns.
Retired LE, same as combat, no guns.
adjudicated.....no guns.
Right wing bumper sticker, no guns.
NRA member, go to jail, do not pass go.
Rugskipper
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Well you sure pee'd in my Cheerios. I was kinda hoping we might see light at the end of this tunnel.
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GF
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Before this is over there'll be a "former S&W owner, now in prison" sub-forum here.
And it'll be busy!
GF
And it'll be busy!
GF
Jyezahn
US Veteran
You're right, the case I brought up was only one case. However, I'm sure you and anyone else who's been paying attention, are aware of the letters sent to many veterans regarding the VA's determination of whether or not that particular veteran is mentally competent to handle their own affairs and own firearms. Clear set rules and laws are falling apart simply in the name of "protecting others" and "anti-terrorism".
tacreload
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Just wonder how many of those who are trying to enact and or enforce all of this lunacy have ever been prescribed any of the meds or treated for any of the so called disorders that would prohibit others from owning firearms.Maybe you ought to have a background check before you are able to dictate to me what I can or can't do.
tacreload
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Or being voted for.
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