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Hey Guys,

I am getting ready to order some speedloaders for my CS-1. I have used HKS loaders in the past with my 629 and Model 19. I see there are some new ones on the market now.

I will shoot this CS-1 in IDPA from time to time.

I shoot Moon Clips in my 327 M&P R8 and like that.

What speedloaders do you guys use?

WC
 
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I started carrying HKS speedloaders in 1979 and haven't changed yet, although I have bought new ones throughout the years.
 
I prefer Safariland COMP II for carry and COMPIII for IDPA,they're fast for reloading compared to HKS speedloaders .
 
This won't help you with IDPA, but I don't use speedloaders. I use the New York reload. Spare ammo is kept in speed strips, or a cartridge slide.

BTW, Woods, it's good to see you around. I hope all is going well on your deployment. Thank you for your service.
 
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HKS, for as long as I can remember--never seen one fail. I have them for K, L, N, and J, plus 45AR.
 
Sorry, I can't agree on the HKS thing.
If they're all you can get, they're better than nothing.
But after officiating thousands of runs in action competition, including revolver-only stuff, I can tell you HKS can leave your ammunition on the ground in a blink with the tiniest goof.
It's not impossible, but I've only ever once seen a Comp dump accidentally.
I haven't used an HKS since I had it happen to me twice in one steel challenge stage- pulling the loader out and inadvertently twisting the knob on the way, before it got to the gun. Rounds in the gravel and no chance of winning revolver division that day.
Maybe I'm just a klutz, but I make "B" with Comps and haven't had to go to a knee to clean up doing it.
 
I have used HKS speedloaders since the 70's. They work just as good today as they did then.
 
Carried the HKS back in the day and still have them for my 686 off duty sidearm. I'm sure there have been some improvements, just don't know what they are.
 
I use Comp III Safariland speedloaders for IDPA -- used them last night to come in first in SSR in a monthly club match! (Of course, I was the only person shooting a revolver last night.) All kidding aside, I have tried both HKS and Comp III for IDPA and have found Comp III quite a bit faster to use. But as another poster noted, I use the HKS for carry, mostly because they are smaller.
 
Anything that is spring driven is susceptible to premature ejaculation inside your pants. If you don't like the HKS then I guess the Safariland Comp II should suffice. And it seems to me that if you're grabbing your HKS loaders by the knob and twisting and losing your load at an inopportune moment, they are functioning as designed and the problem is really in how you're manipulating them?

Dave Sinko
 
And it seems to me that if you're grabbing your HKS loaders by the knob and twisting and losing your load at an inopportune moment, they are functioning as designed and the problem is really in how you're manipulating them?

Great point. A guy at the gun show today had 6 or 8 old Safariland speedloaders. I don't know which model they were but they were the ones that require you to slap the button on top. They didn't seem as sturdy as my HKSs, but they are used and my HKSs have only been used a couple times.
 
I think we have some misconceptions here arising from a lack of familiarity with the device.
Safarilands virtually cannot release unintentionally if they are properly locked. Comps are loaded bullet noses up, holding the body only, while the lock knob is turned to lock in the rims. Doing it any other way can result in the locks not getting a grip on the rims.
The important feature of the design is that the trigger is covered by the rounds and is deep in a recess where practically nothing can get to it except the extractor star when the fresh rounds are deep in the chambers.
This is in contrast to the HKS type, where the actuator is not only prominently exposed, it also doubles as the handle.
That is where HKS loaders have their worst problems: the method of manipulation is also the trigger, and doing one operation can and does cause the other.
It's true that faulty handling can bring about unintentional dumps. The problem is that under duress, improper handling is more common, and more of an issue.
Another misconception mentioned above is that the knob on the top of the Comp Is and IIs is an actuator. It is not. It is only the locking mechanism. During reloading, it is not in use for anything other than possibly as a handle. The knob is not pushed, turned, or anything else as a part of the recharging. That is what helps make the Comps so much more secure.
Still another misconception is that all Safarilands are spring-loaded. Only the Comp IIIs are. The Is and IIs are not.
Another is that the HKS is more compact. The Safariland Comp II takes up the same amount of space as does a similar-sized HKS. A Comp I is actually smaller and takes up less space.
Only the Comp III is larger, because of the long handle.
That long handle is a significant help to the recharging process. since it allows the shooter much more control to steer the new rounds into the chambers, and gives much more security of grip during fast manipulation. It's much easier to keep control of a Comp III than an HKS while rushing it towards the cylinder.
It so happens I officiated at an IDPA match this very morning. Two of the competitors in my squad did not have enough Comps for the stages and so used HKSs for their second and third reloads. Those reloads were significantly slower and less positive, measured in terms of several seconds apiece.
I will also reiterate that in the many, many hundreds of competition runs I've seen with Comps, only once have I ever seen a premature dump. With HKSs, even good shooters can have it happen every month or so, and the less-practiced ones have it happen at least once during any longer match.
I understand you believe I don't practice enough to handle my speedloaders, but that would be wrong- I practice dozens a month, sometimes fifty or seventy a week during the season. Even so, mishaps occur under pressure during the stage runs. That's why the more reliable, controllable, and secure Comp series loaders are overwhelmingly more common among experienced competitors. They use what they have found actually works the best.
In the past, I've stood up an offer to other forum posters here and elsewhere that if the other person would actually acquire and seriously attempt to use Safarilands, and they still insisted HKS loaders were better, faster, and more secure, I'd buy the Safarilands off them no questions.
I've never been taken up on the purchase, but I have had a number of converts thank me.
I suggest a similar test to those with misconceptions like mentioned here.
 
My Safariland Comp II had just the right amount of wiggle room to let the rounds find their way out. How I loaded them was not the issue. It was a POS. Do I like HKS more? No. I think the rotating knob sucks too. Perhaps most Comp IIs work fine, but fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I don't like either product.

It's slow, but I like my El Paso Saddlery belt slide. Speed strips have worked great too.

A second gun trumps everything.
 
I've used speed loaders since the 1970s. I now use Safariland Is or IIs mostly. I've had the retainer tab wear enough on the HKS to drop rounds and had them release when carried in a pocket. I'm with the above poster that the Safarilands are the fastest and most secure when loaded correctly. I've noticed that both Safari and HKS larger caliber speed loaders seem to suffer from retention tab wear and start to lose rounds after a while. This is based on experience with 44 caliber loaders.

Most of the problems with the Safariland stem from incorrect usage. They are not loaded until you hear the click. I also see a lot of people try to use the knob like an HKS and twist it instead of just pushing the loader sides for release.

I have a drawer full of both HKS and Safariland and the Safariland gets the most use by me and my group.
 
Here's a YouTube video of a gentleman from the Brian Enos Forum's revolver section. He's using Comp IIIs and a "weak hand" reload where the gun remains in the strong hand and the reloading is done with the off hand.
I post his video so you don't have to look at mine.
YouTube - Revolver Reload with Speed Loaders
There's no chance you could do what he's doing with any other speedloader, in the times he's doing it. In fact, this is approaching moonclip times.
 

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