STAINLESS STEEL MEDIA TUMBLING INFO GUIDE

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Many more people are discovering the world of ROTARY tumbling brass with STAINLESS STEEL MEDIA to clean it and make it like NEW, INCLUDING THE PRIMER POCKETS.

The Stainless Media never needs replaced, (unless you loose it down the drain), like your eventually contaminated walnut shells or corn cob media in your vibrator type tumbler, PLUS THERE IS NO DUST.

The centerpiece of the deal is a ROTARY TUMBLER originally made for ROCK POLISHING.

The tumbler is a THUMBLER'S TUMBLER 15 POUND, MODEL "B" HI-SPEED MOTOR (3000 RPM), 40RPM DRUM SPEED, AN OLDER VERSION HAS A 30 OR SO DRUM RPM SPEED. the older and slower set-up works OK, it just takes longer to clean the brass.

The TUMBLING MEDIA ARE STAINLESS STEEL WIRE PINS, they are aprox. .042 in diameter, .252/.255 in length, and are of an ALLOY that is MAGNETIC and yet does not RUST. Magnetic Pins will help with loose or errant pin pick up. I store my pins in the drum WET. I also keep a magnet attached to the base plate so it's right there if I need it.

Complete set-ups are available from STM or Buffalo Arms. STM has a DELUXE kit, Thumbler's Tumbler, S.S. Pins, Lemi-Shine, and a Seperator on sale for $255. The standard set-up is about $225, or $179 for the Thumbler's Tumbler Hi-Speed alone, plus shipping.

The people who wish to Clean A Lot Of Brass, STM has a 40 Pound total drum load rotary tumbler on sale for $799.

***BEFORE CLEANING YOUR BRASS, TUMBLE THE PINS ALONE TO LET THEM DE-BURR THEMSELVES.***

I've made some additions to my set-up that make things a little nicer to use.

I run my unit with a "DoIt" brand Countdown Digital Timer, just push a button for 1 hour-2 hour-4 hour-8 hour run time and then forget it as it will turn off. Available on-line SKU # 520462 (Google it)

I understand some new units have the inside of the drum painted, older units do not, pull the rubber liner, clean well, prime, and paint it with a Rust-Oleum red paint to prevent the drum from rusting.

I replaced the WING NUTS with 1/4"-20 "FEMALE" ANTI-VIBRATION KNOBS these are available on-line from McFeeley's and the SKU # JKA 2500.

McFeeley's usually has CHEAP SHIPPING. The knobs are 1 3/8" O.D. x 9/16' width, this is important for the drums rotation.

The 15 pound TOTAL DRUM LOAD is 1 Gallon WARM WATER (8 pounds) the STAINLESS PINS which are 5 pounds, the Dawn soap, Lemi-Shine, and TWO (2) POUNDS OF YOUR BRASS.

THE SOAP AMOUNT CAN VARY WITH THE HARDNESS OF YOUR WATER.

A 15 pound drum loads contents:
1 Gallon warm water (8 pounds)
5 Pounds of the STAINLESS STEEL MEDIA PINS
1-2 Tablespoons "DAWN" Dish Washing Liquid
1 Teaspoon or a 9MM Case full of Lemi-Shine Rinse Agent
2 Pounds of your brass.

2 Pounds of brass weight would be ONE of the following:
.223 cal 160 cases
.308 cal 80 cases
45ACP 160 cases
40S&W 212 cases
9MM 228 cases
38 Spec. 198 cases

*** DO NOT OVERLOAD YOUR DRUM ***

I made an additional DRAINING/FLUSHING plate from Plexiglas (LEXAN). Just use the drums removable plate for a template. I cut a 4" hole in the lower portion and Silicon Sealer Glued, after removing the handle, an "ONEIDA" Fine Mesh (smaller than the pin size) strainer from Wal-Mart, not a cheap one $8. The ONEIDA MODEL NUMBER IS 7822. On the upper part 180 degrees from the 4" hole I put a 1" hole to fill with water or for a hose to fit into the drum to flush.

MOST OF THE "BLACK" WATER YOU FLUSH OUT IS CARBON.

The pins DO NOT WORK HARDEN THE BRASS.

For people in a hurry to reload, you can use an ALCOHOL BATH to DISPLACE THE WATER ON THE BRASS. Use 90-99 % Alcohol, NOT THE MORE COMMON DRUG STORE 70% variety.

Shake pins out of the brass and excess water off, drop in the alcohol bath, shake off again and ready to reload in a couple minutes.

BE CAREFUL, and return the alcohol to it's original container.

THIS IS LIKE THE CADILLAC OF BRASS CLEANING COMPARED TO REGULAR VIBRATORY BRASS CLEANING.
It's easy, cleaner, QUIETER THAN A VIBRATOR, and works BEAUTIFULLY to clean inside, outside and especially the primer pockets.

TAKE YOUR CHOICE, IT'S YOUR DECISION, A ROTARY AND STAINLESS MEDIA OR THE OLD STYLE DIRTY, NOISY, DUSTY VIBRATOR CLEANERS THAT YOU MUST REPLACE THE MEDIA IN. A COST THAT ADDS UP FOR YEARS, YOU DO THE MATH.

Good Loading and Shooting Guys and Gals.
 
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Thanks for the info. I have the small dillon vibrating tumbler. It takes a looong time for the cases to get as clean as I like. I have been thinking about going with a wet tumbler set up. Mike
 
I have found tarnished cases to be as accurate as shiny cases. Shiny cases that are stored for several weeks before reloading look just like tarnished cases.

I tumble cases to remove dirt and carbon fouling to improve die life.

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I've used the same Thumbler's Tumbler Model B with impregnated walnut media since 1977 and only to remove carbon and dirt prior to resizing my cases.
 
At $32 for 40 lbs of corn media(which will last a looooong time)from Drill Spot, it is probably less money that Lem Shine, alcohol and wasted rinse water. A lot less work and hassle.JMO
 
Old Dogs have many reasons why they never change, many a business ended up failing for the same reason, that we've always done it this way.

The world and the its new leaders move on and forward without them, they will be remembered but by history, if anyone still cares about history in the future.

Stainless Steel Tumbling ROCKS!!!!!!
 
Old Dogs have many reasons why they never change, many a business ended up failing for the same reason, that we've always done it this way.

The world and the its new leaders move on and forward without them, they will be remembered but by history, if anyone still cares about history in the future.

Stainless Steel Tumbling ROCKS!!!!!!

I have no doubt the SS pins work well.

I have been using the non tumbling method before the "pins" came around:D. There is also the brass sorter pans for range brass.

This is my wash, rinse and Solar dry set up;) I use Vinegar, Salt and soap over the Lem Shine as it is way cheaper, Also the other can is Bar Keepers Friend which works real well. Here in Fl on the driveway the brass gets too hot to handle, dries in a few minutes. Save the solution and it can be used many times.

Cost for this set up a few dollars.;)

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Rule 3
how do you do it? I have never hear of that way. Looks like an easy solution. Does it get the brass clean all over or just on the outside?
Thanks for the run down on it.
 
Rule 3
how do you do it? I have never hear of that way. Looks like an easy solution. Does it get the brass clean all over or just on the outside?
Thanks for the run down on it.

Mix 2 cups of white vinegar, 2 tablespoon salt and a squirt of dish soap with enough water to make 1 gal. (one of the empty jugs)

Dump your brass and the solution in a 5 gal bucket. Let it sit for 15 minutes or so. Use a colander and a funnel and drain the solution back into a empty jug.(you can re use the solution several times) Rinse the brass in the other 5 gal bucket with a garden hose several times. Dump the brass in the homemade frame of 2 x 4's with hardware cloth stapled/nailed on the bottom. Let it dry in the Sun.

You can use Lem Shine instead of the Vinegar (both are mild acids) or the Bar Keepers Friend cleaner (another acid, a few tablespoons)

The brass will be very clean but not super shiny.

I mainly use it for dirty range brass that has sand and dirt in it.

If you put it in a regular tumbler after it only takes 30 minutes or so to make it really shine if you want.
 
Old Dogs have many reasons why they never change, many a business ended up failing for the same reason, that we've always done it this way.

The world and the its new leaders move on and forward without them, they will be remembered but by history, if anyone still cares about history in the future.

Stainless Steel Tumbling ROCKS!!!!!!

Sometimes the Luddites among us see no reason to change because we are happy with the results of our current methods vs. the time and money necessary to change.

As a business man, I totally agree with the comment about a business failing because they do not keep up with the times. However, spending money to change when change is not needed is every bit as foolish.

Personally, I tumble my brass to remove grit and carbon to protect my dies and rifle chambers. I have no need to clean the inside of the cases. The primer pockets get cleaned as needed using the same tool that prepped them before the first loading. It take less than 10 minutes per hundred.

No doubt that the stainless steel pins will clean the primer pockets and inside of the case much better than the walnut media. We each have to make our choices and decide what is the best method to meet our current needs.
 
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Fellows PLEASE,

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STAINLESS STEEL TUMBLING!

Not about CLEANING BRASS METHODS GENERALLY.

Please start YOUR own thread if you want to discuss YOUR brass cleaning methods
or best tricks if it does not pertain to the S.S. Media Rotary Tumbling method.

There ARE PEOPLE seeking this information Gentlemen.

I would welcome some photos being posted here that people have of the before and after brass condition.
I know people have posted them on other forums.

Sorry but I just don't do photos.

Thank You.
MOONMAN
 
Good informative post Moonman......but we old curmudgeons are a hard sell. ;) I already have a Thumler's Tumbler, have had it about 30 years, and still love it, even with my antiquated dry media. It's a lot simpler and less labor-intensive than going the "wet" route, and if the brass is especially grungy or nasty, I just leave it in there longer. When it's done I pour the barrel into a Dillon Media Separator, give it a few spins, and commence the reloading cycle. I buy "Pet Bedding" locally for $20 per fifty pounds, and a bag will last me several years........and I tumble a LOT of brass. A bottle of whoever's brass polish also lasts a couple of years. A few cups of water in the mix cleans even better than dry media.

I'm not convinced dirty primer pockets have any effect on load consistency or accuracy.
 
Fellows PLEASE,

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STAINLESS STEEL TUMBLING!


Sorry but I just don't do photos.

Thank You.
MOONMAN


If you are cleaning the primer pockets this means you are de priming dirty cases before cleaning?? Does this damage your dies??

How are you drying your brass. The alcohol method? Or do you put them in the kitchen oven??

How can you have such advanced technology and not have pictures??;)
 
Hey Moonman, keep spreading the news! I have no experiance with moist media, but the wet pins get the primer pockets and the inside of cases cleaner than Iosso and that was the best I've found since 1981 when I started cleaning brass. Primer pocket fouling only seems to make a differance in 2 areas; 1) very long range (800 plus yards) and 2) any corrisive powder or primer usage. So Black Powder and subs need all the clean they can get! The Alcohol bath is a great idea that I think I'll try. The "shiney"ness of brass is considered to be a no-no in tactical(sniper) shooting, but the guys that beating every one else, their rounds shine like mirrors. The top 3 shooters in my area (not me at all); 2 use rottery tumblers and steel pins and the other uses Iosso and buffs them after with Nevr-dull. The attitude for pistol brass seems to be- "no mud is clean enough", like one guy said, "Power fouling is carbon and carbon is a great dry lube". Ivan
 
Rule3,

I do the decapping with a universal decapping die, on a single stage press and save the brass for later.

When I take a notion, I tumble the brass, and when I feel like it I PRIME THE CASES
with a bench mounted RCBS deal while watching TV or listening to the radio or both.

The primed cases are marked and put into the original boxes or into commercial
MTM or Dillon plastic storage containers to await whenever I choose to load some up.

I have New Brass, Primed Brass, Awaiting Processing Brass, Re-Loaded Rounds,
and Factory Ammo for New Firearms break-in and Defensive Carry use.

Life is Good.

As to Brass Drying,

I Shake the brass off, Towel Dry and then use a Hairdryer along with just plain old time passing.

The Alcohol Bath was mentioned because some folks are in a real hurry to reload, I don't have that problem.
People in a hurry and using the Alcohol Bath Drying Method need to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL of the fire hazard.

As to photos, I never have been big on photos, very few even exist of me,
not that there's a reason other than I'm certainly not George Clooney photogenic.

Retirement and Good Health gives one many options, I worked decades in a Fortune 500 corporate
environment and now no longer must HURRY, I don't have to deal with other peoples created
EMERGENCIES AND CRISIS. Stop and Smell the Roses people.

Have a Great Day with your Choices in Life.:):):)
 
I'm super impressed with the SS pins and new rotory tumbler. I shoot lots of blackpowder cartridge in 45-70. 38-55, 44 spl., 44 russian, 12ga. brass. Don't think I'll ever use the dry nut media again, but ya never say never.

In the pic are 12 ga. brass shells that have been rinsed off with vinegar and water solution to remove dirt,carbon as I had beeen doing with a vibrator/nut system for the past 15 years. Never had any trouble with that method, but like the new to wet system much better.
 

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Retirement and Good Health gives one many options

Ah, there's the rub. You have time to fill with extra steps that I most assuredly do NOT. I'm semi-retired, meaning I just have to show up for work and keep an eye on things, some nights I even bring in brass to reprime. But adding extra steps to a process I already think is entirely adequate just doesn't make any sense, when my results are already perfectly satisfactory. Enjoy your extra steps, since you have that kind of time. Personally, I'd rather be shooting, or coaching, or..........sleeping. ;)
 
Zuke,

Do you have any S.S. tumbled brass that you could post? Maybe some really dirty military stuff from a range that's been cleaned up by tumbling.

Thanks,
MOONMAN
 
Shiny, gleeming, light reflective brass looks the same no matter how it got shiny and brite. I've shot great with dirty brass, and I've shot lousy with shiny, gleeming brass. It's the trigger finger, not the brass case!!! :D
 
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