Stop complaining about this rifle...1000 yard success
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OhioPatriot308
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Thats awesome. 1,000 yards and beyond. This just gave me some motivation to get my final recipe this week and head out to the 1,000 yard range again. Shot 900 yards last year with PMC ammo lol
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Beat me to it. Just saw that article.
They were hitting out to 1,400 yards with 175 grain too. And all this with the standard non-free-float handguard.
I dig this rifle.
They were hitting out to 1,400 yards with 175 grain too. And all this with the standard non-free-float handguard.
I dig this rifle.
Nutnfancy got excellent results out at 700 yards, similar to these. At some point I'm going to put in a Geissele trigger in mine. I need to look into that buttstock as well.
My son's Shepherd/Malemute cross is crowding 100 pounds at 18 months old. He's named Duke.
I call my M&P 10 Big Duke.
Both are big, lovable mushpots that respond well to TLC.
My son's Shepherd/Malemute cross is crowding 100 pounds at 18 months old. He's named Duke.
I call my M&P 10 Big Duke.
Both are big, lovable mushpots that respond well to TLC.
samnev
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Once you get a Geissele trigger in your MP 10 you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. I put a Geissele SSA-E trigger in my BIL's MP 10 and it made a big difference in the groups he was able to shoot.
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I'll second the Geissele. Although, I went with the SSA, as it was already on hand.
Thanks for the link!! That made me wanna get the build done.
Bought a SWFA SS 3-15x42 scope but had yet to find a mount. I like the Warne R.A.M.P. 20 MOA scope mount, got one on order. I hear nothing but good about the Geissele SSA...it's on the shopping list, but for now a spare RRA National Match trigger will go in.
Bought a SWFA SS 3-15x42 scope but had yet to find a mount. I like the Warne R.A.M.P. 20 MOA scope mount, got one on order. I hear nothing but good about the Geissele SSA...it's on the shopping list, but for now a spare RRA National Match trigger will go in.
Ivan the Butcher
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I know this is apples to oranges! I've been shooting out to 1045 yard with a Savage 10 BAS in 308 Win for about 5 years now. My comments will stay limited to ammo. I started with Hornady TAP 168gr A-Max product # 80965 and acquired a little over 1100 rounds of the same lot (3100129). This is a Law Enforcement product even though I purchased it retail from a FFL, Hornady and I have parted ways, because they refuse to warranty non LE users. (I had a separate lot fail to meet accuracy standards!) So beware that non LE users are on your own! That being said, This ammo normally way out performs Federal Gold Medal Match with the Sierra 168 MatchKing bullet at 1000 (Gold Medal 175 SMK ammo works very well, but not as well as the TAP/168 A-Max).
I have set aside 500 rounds of my Tap ammo for future use and have switched to reloading. I use the Hornady match brass that the TAP was loaded in and use Hodgdon Varget powder (49.0 gr) Federal 210M primer, and Sierra 155 grain Palma bullet (#3156). These are loaded to fit in an Accuracy International magazine with .015 clearance, so your mags will allow similar lengths. even though I shoot a bolt gun I full length size (similar to small base resizing ) my brass each loading and trim to length every 2 or 3 loadings. Most of the brass is at 8 to 10 reloadings and still no signs of head separation! Out of my gun's 26" barrel I get 2900 fps and accuracy in the 3 inch area at 1000 yards (.3 MOA). I use a much bigger scope than the test article used. I know 155 Palma ammo is loaded by Hornady and Federal, for non reloaders. Locate a batch and give it a try. The bullet drop is considerably less and time of flight is far shorter (less time in the wind!) and has far less wind deflection. In short you have the BC of a 175 and the recoil of ball, and the velocity that exceeds either! Do yourself a favor and try this if you plan an distances exceeding 500 yards. Ivan
I have set aside 500 rounds of my Tap ammo for future use and have switched to reloading. I use the Hornady match brass that the TAP was loaded in and use Hodgdon Varget powder (49.0 gr) Federal 210M primer, and Sierra 155 grain Palma bullet (#3156). These are loaded to fit in an Accuracy International magazine with .015 clearance, so your mags will allow similar lengths. even though I shoot a bolt gun I full length size (similar to small base resizing ) my brass each loading and trim to length every 2 or 3 loadings. Most of the brass is at 8 to 10 reloadings and still no signs of head separation! Out of my gun's 26" barrel I get 2900 fps and accuracy in the 3 inch area at 1000 yards (.3 MOA). I use a much bigger scope than the test article used. I know 155 Palma ammo is loaded by Hornady and Federal, for non reloaders. Locate a batch and give it a try. The bullet drop is considerably less and time of flight is far shorter (less time in the wind!) and has far less wind deflection. In short you have the BC of a 175 and the recoil of ball, and the velocity that exceeds either! Do yourself a favor and try this if you plan an distances exceeding 500 yards. Ivan
Nice to se good comments about our rifles! Hearing people complain is getting OLD!! Maybe they should sell their M&P 10's and go another route. I wouldn't trade mine for the world. I am gonna look at the SS-A trigger though. The stock trigger has worked for me out to between 500-600 but creeps a little…reminds of me of the old M16a2's we had In the Marine Corps… and we still managed to hit silhouette targets to 500 METERS with Iron Sights! The AR platform is awesome. Smith and Wesson just made it better! I have an M&P 15 PSX Piston that I love also, but no comparison to the '10. Of course that would be comparing apples to oranges anyway!
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I'm having a real problem with this article.
I don't doubt the ability of this rifle to deliver rounds on a 1000 yd target.
I have a .223 that is set up with a PRS stock, Horus vision FFP scope with H25 reticle and a JP trigger. It is capable of 1/2 to 3/4 moa accuracy and can consistently get hits at 500 yds on 3 inch steel plates. With that in mind, I have no doubt a M&P 10 can ring steel at 1000. I do have my doubts about doing it with a 168 gr bullet. 168s in .308 go subsonic before 1000 and bullet stability and accuracy start to go to **** much past 750. Something about the shape and center of gravity of the 168 destabilizes it transsonic. Most long range shooters working at 1000 avoid this bullet in favor of a 155 Palma or Scenar. 175 or heavier will also work if the twist will stabilize them. The 1:10 twist in the M&P will handle this nicely.
I don't doubt the ability of this rifle to deliver rounds on a 1000 yd target.
I have a .223 that is set up with a PRS stock, Horus vision FFP scope with H25 reticle and a JP trigger. It is capable of 1/2 to 3/4 moa accuracy and can consistently get hits at 500 yds on 3 inch steel plates. With that in mind, I have no doubt a M&P 10 can ring steel at 1000. I do have my doubts about doing it with a 168 gr bullet. 168s in .308 go subsonic before 1000 and bullet stability and accuracy start to go to **** much past 750. Something about the shape and center of gravity of the 168 destabilizes it transsonic. Most long range shooters working at 1000 avoid this bullet in favor of a 155 Palma or Scenar. 175 or heavier will also work if the twist will stabilize them. The 1:10 twist in the M&P will handle this nicely.
sgtsandman
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It depends on the make of the round. 168 and 175 grain is the favorites by professional snipers, when they use the .308. Granted, .308 Winchester isn't the "go to" round for a lot of military snipers outside of the Marines anymore. .50 BMG, .338 Lapua, and a couple other rounds that reach out farther are more preferred now. It depends on the expected job for which rifle they grab. And even when they do use the .308, everything is custom, including the rounds they use. Nothing is facory.
I believe what you are pointing out here is correct. And quite frankly, dis gun aint built for Dat!
sgtsandman
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There is certainly truth in that. The design is for combat, not long range precision work.
Can it do it? It seems some have but not everyone has been so lucky. If I remember correctly, you had problems with yours at 100 yards, let alone anything further out. Mine seems fine at 100 but I haven't been able to spend much range time with it and absolutely nothing past 100 yards. So, I have nothing to back it up beyond what it could potentially do and what others like Nutnfancy has put up.
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Update, came second last weekend in our local service rifle match shooting fro 200m to 400m, using the MP10 in open class (Otpics, match trigger and free float allowed).
The rifle went well, and the groupings were great (under time and competition pressure). Importantly it held its own against RRA bull barrels open class and other excellent rifles and shooters.
My slow load (~2430fps or 757m/s) pushing the Amax 168 using 42 gn of AR2225 might not be ideal but the MP is now where I need it.
Glad I persisted with this rifle, certainly had my doubts to start with. Just need to tweak and find the right recipe (consensus is the MP is sensitive to loads).
The rifle went well, and the groupings were great (under time and competition pressure). Importantly it held its own against RRA bull barrels open class and other excellent rifles and shooters.
My slow load (~2430fps or 757m/s) pushing the Amax 168 using 42 gn of AR2225 might not be ideal but the MP is now where I need it.
Glad I persisted with this rifle, certainly had my doubts to start with. Just need to tweak and find the right recipe (consensus is the MP is sensitive to loads).
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Shooting under 1 MOA is not easy. I am still doing some load development but other projects have jumped in front. The gun does OK running Amax 168 ammo, but not perfect.
The military puts max effective range on .308 at around 600 for the M110. I am not going to argue with their testing as I do not shoot that far.
BTW ck out the new Ruger Precision Rifle!
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sgtsandman
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I've seen postings on this and it does have my interest. I'm going to wait for the initial rush before I decide. The rifle is new, so there is going to be some price gouging and I suspect that there may be some issues that might pop up that didn't show themselves in the initial R&D trails. Nothing against Ruger, they are a fine company but no one is perfect. I do like the concept very much and I think it would compliment my M&P10 and MVP very nicely.
As far as the range, what you say maybe true. It depends on who you talk to and how the rifle is setup and built. Marines make their .308s shoot out to 1,000 yards. Nikon makes a .308 specific scope for 168 grain BTHP Match out to 800. Even 600 yards is more than I expect to be able to shoot regularly at this point. If I find a range that has membership spots open that has the ability to shoot that far in the future, who knows. Maybe then I can see what I and the rifle can really do. I suspect that the rifle may be more capable than I but there is only one way to find out.
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Ummm, that thing is just sex on wheels in my book!
I do not need one, I just want it! I have been debating over buying a Savage 10/110 for a while. More proven performance perhaps, but Damn, that Ruger looks nice!
With a hammer forged barrel in 5R/10 free floated, I doubt it would be a slouch.
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