Substitute suggestions for H110

[Mikeinkaty]

Been shooting H110 in my 357 Henry, 20" barrel, with good results. But my Lee powder measure gets jammed up with this fine grained powder. H110 is a medium speed powder. What other powder would be close to equivalent but not so fine grained. I'm about out of H110, so need to try something else.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[Mike in Reedley]

I had the same problem when loading.410. I switched to 2400 and the problem went away.

 

[muddocktor]

H110/296 jams up my Dillon powder measure, but throws nice in my Lyman 55.

I also use Accurate #9 in both 357 and 44 Mag and it's a little bit faster than H110. It's also pretty fine grained but in a different way than H110. With Accurate #9, it throws good in the Dillon measure but jams up in my Lyman 55. And 2400 is a good powder but seems to be unobtainium the last 3 years or so.

Another powder you might look at is IMR4227. It's a little slower powder than H110 and is also a single base, very short extruded stick powder. You won't get quite as high a velocity as H110, but it shoots accurately and meters well in both my measures.

 

[Mikeinkaty]

Thank you all. I forgot to say that I will be using coated lead in 158 and 180 grain sizes. Currently I'm pushing the 180 at around 1350 fps and getting 3" groups at 100 yards using H110. I want to push 158 at around 1700 fps.

Just finished pouring 1000 bullets in 158 grain RNFP. (That was fun!). The BNH is closer to 18 than to 12. It may get harder with time. . I like range shooting.

By the way I can group 1.5" at 100 yds with my 3O-06 using factory loads. I guess the shorter barrel of the Henry is less accurate?

 

[Clovishound]

Thank you all. I forgot to say that I will be using coated lead in 158 and 180 grain sizes. Currently I'm pushing the 180 at around 1350 fps and getting 3" groups at 100 yards using H110. I want to push 158 at around 1700 fps.

Just finished pouring 1000 bullets in 158 grain RNFP. (That was fun!). The BNH is closer to 18 than to 12. It may get harder with time. . I like range shooting.

By the way I can group 1.5" at 100 yds with my 3O-06 using factory loads. I guess the shorter barrel of the Henry is less accurate?

As much as I love my Henry Big Boy, it is still a pistol caliber at the end of the day. If I wanted extreme accuracy at 100 yds, I would be looking at a long barreled, heavy barreled, high powered, bolt action. I actually have one of those. It will run rings around my Henry in long range accuracy. It sits in the safe, and the Henry gets 100+ rounds a week fired through it.

To the original question, 4227 works well for me in my Henry. It is supposed to be very similar in performance to H110. However, for everyday ammo, I use Universal. It is much more economical. I top it off with a heavy plate Xtreme 158 grain, which is good to 1500 fps. Accuracy isn't quite as good as the jacketed on top of 4227, but it is a close second, and significantly cheaper to shoot. Also, all I am stalking with this load is paper, so velocity is unimportant. Like I said, I go through 1K of ammo every couple months, so savings are important.

One issue I had with 4227 is I ran out of case capacity before I got to max load. Data doesn't list max as a compressed load, but I was pushing the bullet on the powder before I got close to max.

 

[mazer]

I use Titegroup for .357 and 44mag. It's a flake powder and a little bit goes a long way! You also don't need magnum primers with it. The other powder I use is Enforcer. It is a ball powder and I haven't had jamming issues in the powder measures I use (Lee, and Dillon).

 

[Tundra46]

I've used 2400, A7, A9, H110, and 4227 powders for my Henry Steel .357 rounds. Best accuracy at 100 yds from the bench with a 12x scope came with Zero 158 gr JSP, 14.5 gr 2400 with CCI 500 primers and medium crimp. Best 3-round group was 0.677" center to center. I've given up on my Lee powder measures. I throw all my powders with a CH4D 502 powder measure with very good results. For my Henry the best velocity is from the H110 loads and best accuracy is with IMR 4227 loads, so far! Still experimenting!

 

[cowboy4evr]

I don't think of H110 as a medium speed powder . It is one of the slowest pistol magnum powders made . IMR 4227 is a bit slower . IMR 4227 is a coarser grain powder and should solve your problem . It also is more readily available than 2400 .

 

[franzas]

I've heard 300MP is awesome, but I've never used it because I don't have any magnums. I gave it a try in the 10mm, but found it was too slow. I was getting poor velocities and incomplete burns. My friend loads it in his blackout for supersonic loads.

The slowest I use (and love it) is AA9.

 

[Rule3]

I don't think of H110 as a medium speed powder . It is one of the slowest pistol magnum powders made . IMR 4227 is a bit slower . IMR 4227 is a coarser grain powder and should solve your problem . It also is more readily available than 2400 .

You are correct as it is a very slow handgun powder, one of the slowest.
It may fall in the relative ,edium when you factor in all the rifle powders.
It is the magnum of all magnum powders.

For the OP I also do not understand "shipping cost" You can get 2000 bullets delivered to you dorr for around $16 by USPS flat rate. Some places advertise free shipping but of course there is no such thing, it is built in to the price,

You can buy Lesser amounts and pay around $6 shipping and no tax so where expense in that?

Just look at the powder burn rate chart and you will find something

https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/burn-rates-2015-2016.pdf

 

[Mikeinkaty]

I use Titegroup for .357 and 44mag. It's a flake powder and a little bit goes a long way! You also don't need magnum primers with it. The other powder I use is Enforcer. It is a ball powder and I haven't had jamming issues in the powder measures I use (Lee, and Dillon).

I use Titegroup and trail boss in my 686 L frame, 3" barrel. It likes both when shot in 357 cases. Trail Boss for fun, Titegroup for carry. Shooting Titegroup in the Henry in 38 Spl cases is worse than shooting a slingshot.

 

[andyo5]

I have never had issues like you described with H110. I use Dillon dies.
I have also had good experience with 2400, which is a cut flake.

 

[jonnnyboy]

Have used 110/296 in 300 blk. Some alternatives might be Lil'Gun and 300mp. Also, AA#9.

 

[Mikeinkaty]

I'll pick up a bottle of IMR4227 and see how it goes. Looks like it can get close to H110.

Thanks for the help. Mike

 

[Krogen]

4227 is a very good choice. I use it with cast bullets in my Rossi .357 rifle with good results.

 

[Nemo288]

Lil' Gun and N110 are very close in performanceto H110/296.
2400 do will just about everything you want with a small loss of velocity.
4227 will cause slightly more loss of velocity but can give exceptional accuracy at the top end.
Being slow it's also good in those carbines.
N110 is very expensive but also a good powder.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Funny, knowing the consistency of powders like H110 and AA#9, it's hard for me to imagine it not metering well in a measure. Those powders are about the best I have used in terms of metering in my Hornady measure.

I use H110 and have come to really like AA#9 in my magnums. But, AA#9 is very similar to H110 in consistency so that won't help with your issue.

My brother just began using 4227 for his upper midrange 41mag target loads with Berry's plated boolits and he loves it. Only negatives and they are minor is he has noticed powder flakes left in the barrel and chambers and the stuff has a strong bitter smell to it. Not a big deal really because it shoots well. I tried those rounds myself and shot well with them.

 

[fredj338]

Been shooting H110 in my 357 Henry, 20" barrel, with good results. But my Lee powder measure gets jammed up with this fine grained powder. H110 is a medium speed powder. What other powder would be close to equivalent but not so fine grained. I'm about out of H110, so need to try something else.

Thanks,
Mike

In handgun powders, h110 is very slow, not a medium burner. Nothing wrong with 2400, you might also try 300mp.

 

[BruceM]

It may fall in the relative ,edium when you factor in all the rifle powders.

The thing is that it's a pistol powder used to load a pistol round used in a rifle chambered for a pistol round. End result, it's a slow powder when used in the .357, .41 and .44 magnums.

Bruce

 

[sixtwoniner]

For my Henry the best velocity is from the H110 loads and best accuracy is with IMR 4227 loads, so far! Still experimenting![/QUOTE]
I too have a Henry BB in 44 rem mag. The best load I have created is 20gr. IMR 4227 under a 240gr SWC. I have to say my Hank is a tack driver (for a pistol caliber) out at 100yds. Two years ago I pounded a 3 point (west count) mully buck at just outside 150yds. As for the 357 I only have a 19-3 4.5 but it really likes the 4227. In answer to the question. IMR4227.
Just to clarify my long gun is a Rem 700 in 300 win mag.

No matter what we burn we must burn a lot. Shoot, Shoot, Shoot then Shoot some more. Burn that powder then get some more.Love it!!!