Swagg dowen bullets ?

[O.G.]

Thank's mikld !
What is the force needed ? 1-2-3 ton , more/less ?
How do you order a spcific die ?
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O.g

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[mikld]

Unfortunately, Lee doesn't make a push through die for .222". You'll have to find someone who makes custom diameter bullet sizing dies. I found one via google "Buckshot's" Custom Sizing Dies - Mountain Molds

I didn't measure the force needed to swage .005", but .001" will hardly be noticable.

While I won't recommend it to a reloader, I might try the .223" bullets in a .222" gun. One half of one thousandths, .0005" on each side of the bullet prolly won't make any difference in pressures.

 

[O.G.]

Thank's a lot mikld !
Regarding the link you sent
What press is used in bullet sizing dies ?
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[rwsmith]

A supplier....

A supplier of heavy plated bullets might be able to accommodate you. i see that XTREME Bullets form the bullet then strike the bullet for a final finish. Maybe they can strike a thousandth smaller.

 

[Walter Rego]

Well since the .22 Jet was mentioned, the idea of swaging down jacketed bullets has occurred to me as well. The cartridge requires .222" diameter bullets. Hornady was the only maker and the haven't made then in several years. Too busy making bullets for AR's I assume.
Sierra makes a .223" 40 grain Hornet bullet, SKU# 1100 but they are difficult to find and possibly out of production as well. Some people report that as long as you are not loading the .22 Jet to the max, there is no problem shooting .223" bullets in it.
I would guess that swaging a lightly constructed bullet that is designed for varminting down by .001" or .002" would not require a lot of pressure with a decent press. If the supply of Sierra .223" bullets also goes the way of the dodo and we want to keep our .22 Jets shooting, swaging may be the only option. Hopefully accuracy wouldn't go out the window from jacket/core separation in the swaging process. Experiments will be in order.

 

[M E Morrison]

I'd be concerned that with a FMJ bullet, after swagging the jacket would spring back more than the lead core, leaving the core loose. It also seems it would take quite a bit of force to do this, requiring a substantial press.

Even with lead bullets, sizing more than about .005" starts getting difficult and you start having to do it in steps with multiple dies.

Sounds like a lot of effort if it's not absolutely necessary.

I have read several reports on this happening. Depending on your intended usage, it may or may not be a problem.

 

[smoothshooter]

I believe the proper term is " swage ".

Rhymes with " gauge ".

 

[2152hq]

Unfortunately, Lee doesn't make a push through die for .222". You'll have to find someone who makes custom diameter bullet sizing dies. I found one via google "Buckshot's" Custom Sizing Dies - Mountain Molds

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LEE reloading will make on order any size push through bullet sizer die up to .575.
Custom Lube and Size Kit - Lee Precision

Buckshots Custom sizer dies are excellent also.

I use a Lee .401 sizer that I opened up to .407 to size 41Mag bullets (.410d) down for use in loading the .401 WSL Rifle.
Not much effort pushing even jacketed bullets through the die using a Lyman Orange Crusher Press.
Lead bullets are lubed with Alox to size them. Jacketed bullets I use Imperial Sizing Die Wax.

 

[DWalt]

To answer the original question, yep you can swage .223" bullets to .222". I have sized down some .323" bullets to .318" to fit an Enfield I have. I used a "custom" Lee push through die and lubed the bullets with STP. It was a job, but I wanted to handload some jacketed bullets for my rifle. with a .318" groove diameter and could not find any commercially.

During WWI, a large number of the German Model 88 commission rifles with the early 8x57 J .318" barrels were modified by the Germans to shoot the newer 8x57 JS round with the .323" bullet. How? Simply by enlarging the chamber throat diameter slightly so the 8x57 JS cartridge case neck would have some room to expand upon firing. Then they stamped "S" on the front receiver ring. It worked fine. I once had one of those and fired a lot of 8x57 JS military ammo through it without incident. In summary, if you happen to have a .222 diameter barrel, you won't have any problem shooting .223 bullets in it.

In Hatcher's Notebook, Hatcher relates firing .45 ACP rounds in a Springfield '03 rifle. Nothing bad happened. The .45 bullet just squeezes down to .30 to exit the barrel. That experiment I have not tried, nor do I plan to.

 

[O.G.]

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