Tell a story of your personal Performance Center epiphany

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The idea here is to paint a picture of how you became aware of true PC pistols. (I'm talking metal handguns, put together one at a time in the actual Performance Center when it still existed, fine triggers & Briley spherical bushings and not silly ported fake "PC" Shields and M&P's and modern tupperware with the classic PC emblem applied like a ridiculous sell out)

Did you take a risk, take a leap with some big money back in the early-mid 1990's and spend $1,200+ on a single handgun without knowing what your money might bring?

Or did you get to handle one in a gun shop or gun show and actually FEEL the irrationally fine work in that slide to frame fit and that trigger?

Maybe you had a buddy that showed one to you for the first time and upon handling it -- you quickly realized that there was magic?

I'll tell my story in the next post. Please share your story also.
 
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In another thread about a 1076, I reminisced that my first foray in to a semiautomatic made by S&W was actually a 1006, handling and shooting one in the summer of 1992 and later buying that same pistol from my buddy some time in 1994.

That's right around the time when the first PC guns were hitting the scene and very close to when my SD-9 was built (but I have only had that for a year)

Back at that time I was absolutely a harcore handgunner and handloader and totally dedicated to the shooting sports but I wasn't making a lot of money and I was living a typical lifestyle for a 23-24 year old guy. Suffice to say, a high-dollar, high-end and supremely built target pistol like the guns about to come out of the PC simply did not appear on my radar at all. I honestly did not know that the PC existed or the iconic pistols that would soon be let loose in the world. By '97 I had gotten married and by '99 I became a father and though I still loved handguns and shooting, I was in no position to buy new guns.

By the time I actually "discovered" the true Performance Center pistols... the PC was snorting it's very last gasps of air. I had heard of the 952 and the 945 and I saw some of the 1911 pistols that S&W was now making but I had no idea that they were so elite, I only "saw" high price tags. Like many, I had set an artificial limit on what one handgun should cost any rational person and for me that number was probably $500-$600.

Bottom line? Up and down the entire catalog of purely fantastic pistols from the PC, very nearly every one was made and shipped before I actually had any idea of what they were and the joy one could bring to an enthusiast.

The first PC pistol I handled was in a local gun store in the spring of 2015. It was two of them, actually, a first-run 845 and a no-dash 945, 5" model. Myself and my nest shooting buddy handled each and we both agreed that we had NEVER felt any S&W that handled like these and we also agreed that between the two... well, the 945 was surely nice and gorgeous but it was an echelon below that 845.

Fast forward maybe a month and that same shop had sent it's crew and a bunch of great guns to our favorite gun show and both of those guns were there. With a fat wad and a willingness to part with it, my buddy made a play for that 845 and we were both geeked at the prospect of shooting it. I remember vividly that the pistol just felt amazing but STILL, I could not see myself spending that kind of money.

Two aisles over in the same show... another guy was offering a second run "Model of 1998" 845. Unlike the fantastic pistol my buddy just bought... this one was gun only, one non-PC marked magazine. Nothing else. We handled it, it too was inspiring, and we left it there, both wholly satisfied. My buddy liked his purchase and I couldn't see the justification in that money.

That night, I set about on the computer to learn more. It seemed like my buddy got a great buy on an amazing pistol. And one week later we got together for a range day and the first chance that either of us had to shoot a PC pistol.

Honestly, I almost felt just plain SICK to my stomach about the 845 that I fondled, handed back and thanked the dealer a week before. I was... horrified, honestly, that I walked away from that pistol.

It was a full SEVEN weeks before the next show at the same place. And that dealer STILL had it. And now I own it. And though I have had a whole lot of great luck in guns... that feat may take the cake.

So my first PC experience was two 845's and a 945. I finally tracked down a 945 of my own a couple years ago and it's a phenomenal pistol, but I still place it under my 845 overall.

Sorry for the extreme length of this story!
 
About 1994/95 we had a group shooting USPSA at a local club......some shot it seriously; others shot it more like IDPA w/ carry guns and concealed carry.

A buddy who managed a LGS/Police Supply House... that was a Smith Stocking Dealer showed up one practice evening with a PC SD-9.....he shot it all that summer ....... the next summer he wanted to switch to a .40S&W...... sold me the SD9 and I continued to shoot it for about 5 years..........

Year or so later 96/97 ...... my buddy's shop had a 'used" Shorty9 for sale...which I bought........ as a hi-cap carry gun...... an upgrade to my 6906........

Over the next couple of years I bought another Shorty9 a IDPA 5906, and a CQB.45.


Fast forward a decade and I joined this motley crew and soon discovered how small the PC run of guns actually were..... like the PC Stocking Dealer Guns .... only about 500 in total .... with only 179 SD9s .

I still carry my Shorty9 from time time to time.................

Those 90s Performance Guns are true classics.hand built custom guns...... IMHO
 
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It Was The Briley Bushing That Did It ...

Spherical, Titainium, tight tolerance engineering. Those were the things that created my epiphany about the Performance Center semi-autos.

I only have one, a Shorty Forty, the 36th one to be built after Paul Liebenburg slapped one down on the boardroom table and and said "here is the impossible".

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My next goal is to get BAM BAM to sell me one of his PC9s.

digiroc
 
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Started out with revolvers and didn't even look into autos for a number of years. My first auto was a S&W 1911 full size followed by a Walther PPK/S just 'cause I had to have the Bond gun. My first 9mm was a 6906 I picked up for next to nothing...the hook was set. I really liked that gun along with a few other 3rd gens I acquired so when a Shorty 40 MkIII popped up I grabbed it...WOW! The hunt was on for a Shorty 9. Took a while but finally found one in NY of all places and snapped it up quickly. Those two remain my only PC guns but who knows about the future.

When you rack the slide on the Shorties it is quickly evident that they are a step up from the already great production models. It's not uncommon that I let the youngsters try my non-PC 3rd gens at the range and of course we all know the surprised reaction from those who never knew about them much less ever shot one. I tell them with a wink that these aren't even my best one's! The Shorties don't get out much.
 

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I found mine just because I went to the right place at the right time.

I went to Turners in San Diego to look at a Wilson Combat on sale. Well the store did not have it in stock but told me that the San Marcos store had them.

So off to the other store to check it out. As I approached the counter there it was, shiney new and marked down $200. One Smith & Wesson 945 with metal case and two magazines.

There was no hesitation as the salesman asked if he could help. I'll take that one!

Already having a 745 really helped and upgrading was so easy. I'm sure if I were ever to sell the 945 I could get all my money back as the quality still shows.

That's my story. Right place,right time,right price.

Bruce
 
Spherical, Titainium, tight tolerance engineering. Those were the things that created my epiphany about the Performance Center semi-autos.


My next goal is to get BAM BAM to sell me one of his PC9s.

digiroc

LOL...that ain't gonna happen!!!! :D

One's been a good friend for 20 years ........ the other is still new in the box!
 
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I bought my first non pc, a 5906, in 1989. I have several non pc, then about 4 years ago, I was at one of the large sporting goods stores that buy used guns. I thought a guy was selling a 6906, so I walked up the counter and made small talk. He let me handle it as he waited to close out his deal, and mentioned his disgust in the offer on his Shorty 9. His transaction complete, I attempted to buy the gun from the counter. I was told it was not ready to sell, and I should check back. Never saw the gun again. I started looking for PC guns. I bought a .45 CQB two tone.
Shot it a little, but was too nice to carry. I then bought an all black model, and thought " hey I have a nice pair." Then I bought another two tone with a little cosmetic wear, just to shoot it without guilt. Still looking for a idpa 5906 in 4" barrel that is nice, but not too nice to shoot. Really enjoying the three 45's, even if two primarily get looked at. I tell myself to balance enjoyment but remember they aren't making any more of them.
 
My venture down the PC path started when I read posts from Grinder, CQB and Catshooter.

Being a fan of the 4513TSW, I wanted a Shorty 45. Around 9 years ago, I located a used and almost affordable example - a Shorty 45 MKII - in a pawn shop in CT.

After a quick telephone call, it was mine and in my hands a short time later.

A 4566 PC 45CQB followed and then the Prototype 45CQB used in the American Handgunner article.

Fine pistols. Those 45CQB's are the ultimate versions of the 4566 and 4563TSW. Regards 18DAI
 
Well, I can blame the Performance Center for getting me addicted to 3rd Gens, that much is for sure. :p

Mainly being a revolver guy, when I first came across a mislabeled stainless steel 45ACP at a rural gun shop I reluctantly asked to see it. I had never noticed any pistol like this before. Different features than a 1911. Humm...

I immediately was enamored with it's fit & finish. They had it tagged as an "850" as I recall.

I had heard of the Performance Center, for revolvers, but had completely missed the 3rd Gen Era being too busy working & raising a family. No $$ for fun stuff back then. :(

After some searching, & asking here, I confirmed it was a PC 845 Limited & promptly purchased it. Within a year I had found (11) standard production 3rd Gen's that "needed a home". And so it started.

Earlier this year I was fortunate enough to come across a PC 40 Shorty Mk.I locally, which is my only other PC 3rd Gen, currently. ;)

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845 - (45 Limited)

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Found a 845 (45 Limited) and....

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Shorty 40 Mk.I (on SCSW#4)

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It's a... Shorty 40 Mk.I (added LH letter)

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I used to be a revolver guy, then I started hanging out here. I posted a question, and Sevens pmed me. It's been uphill since then. I have a M52, which some claim started the pc era, but my only pc gun is a m945. I have never shot anything so accurate. You take it apart, and you can feel the fit and finish and the tight tolerances. I am looking for a m845 to fit in with my m645,745, and 945. That is my holy grail, it may take a while, but I'll get one.
 
Terrific stories, one and all!

HCH: Hancock County is Findlay area? Seems plausible that we could meet up and shoot one day...? You could experience these things, might end up being a holy terror on your wallet...

Boy, I hope we can keep this thread alive. We really need to hear some tales from some of the guys who post here about their pretty -big- PC pistol collections.

For what it's worth... as folks always want to know...
I have taken four of my PC pistols from Gunbroker. You will typically require a mix of luck, quickness, guts and the huevos to spend some cash AND willingness to drop big money on a gun that you cannot handle first... believe me, I realize that scenario isn't for everyone.
 
After reading this thread, I have a question for the Gurus on here. Is every 745, 845, and 945 a PC gun? What about 645's? I know that on many of the 3rd Gen models that PC guns were marked as such or were special editions, but I'm curious about the 2nd gens I asked about above.
 
645 and 745 are production guns. They are fine guns, we all love 'em, I have two 745's myself and am a huge fan of this model, I love them a heap for a lot of reasons. But they are guns put together with minimal fitting from huge lots of parts. As such, they are nothing whatsoever like PC pistols.

PC pistols all start as oversized bloated forgings and slides and frames are matched up as a unit before the frame rails are even cut. The pieces barely fit together and are honed slowly by hand until their fit with each other is, well, ridiculous and inspiring. Drawing the slide back on a 645,745, 4506 or 5906/3913/915 or any of those production guns is a solid feel and a fantastic working, reliable and enjoyable handgun.

But when you draw the slide back on an 845, 945, 952 or the PC "Shorty" guns, you will experience a BIG difference. In a S&W, the only thing that feels similar is a Model 52.

And that slide to frame fit is merely the FIRST thing you notice of many things that set PC pistols apart.

Some folks may not easily see & feel what we see and feel. No shame... not all will appreciate what they bring. In those cases, for those folks, it isn't money well spent.
 
About 10 years ago saw a LNIB 945-1 at a gun show for 1k. Not knowing but guessing it was a good deal, and after much hem-hawing around, brought home as the afternoon was winding down.

Shoulda left it there...it became the most expensive good deal I've bought. I mean you gotta have a back-up, and a spare, and oh that auction isn't high enough, think I need to make a bid. Oooohh, a 4006 Ltd, my .45s need some .40 company.

Yup, it got me hook, line, and sinker....and I had been content with my1911's til I found that 945. However; my Paul Liebenburg/Pistol Dynamics 1911 will keep up with my PC guns just fine.
 
Got all 5 of mine (traded the CQB .45/ hated the Billboard) from the same Stocking Dealer/ Police Supply House..... they almost couldn't give them away in the 90s......there was a Recon.45 that was in the case for at least 2years....maybe longer. As they were listed at almost 3 times the price of a factory gun...... around $900 or so out the door.

Really a lot of the early guns ...... all the Shorty-40s and 9s were basically
"expensive" target grade duty guns..... even the SD guns were in many ways were ''chopped" (short butts/long slide) 5906s.Before I got my first Shorty 9 I'd sometimes carry it on weekends in a Sparks Summer Special when I wanted more gun than a 3913.

If I hadn't gotten the first two "used"...... would have probably passed all together on the PC guns. But the all stainless SD9 was still like new even after a summer of being shot once a week ....... the first Shorty 9 was still unfired anib...... I paid a premium over a factory new 6906......maybe $150/gun.... which has worked out to about $7.50/ year (Using the "BAM-BAM formula" as TISH likes to call it) that I've owned them.......

my only regret is not buying more.... but with 2 young boys joining the family in 97 and 2000 my 'shooting time" dropped off until about 2010.

Would have loved to have bought some of the later 3" PC revolvers.... but they were all "Ported"or had expansion chambers...WHY??....... I'd Magna-ported a 3" 65 in the 80s..... and swore I'd never do it again.......
 
My PC story.

I started as an FBI Agent in 1995. In late 96 or early 97 I was at the range and saw the senior firearms instructor carrying a 1076. I asked him about it and he told me how great it was and that these later ones had been worked over by the PC. I mentioned that it was too bad I could not get issued one. He said he had the last two unissued ones in the FBI inventory. I jumped at the chance and traded in my Sig P228. I carried it for several years and loved it.

So I had that sitting in my noggin for a long time. I later got into PPC shooting and noticed that the PPC9 was singled out as a gun that could not be used in the stock category. (Too good maybe?). At one of the meets I bought a 5 inch PPC 9 from another competitor. I shot it a little but decided the function did not get along with the 1911s I was shooting in other events. So I sold it to buy a revolver or two. Dumb. I later bought a SW1911 Pro that is fantastic shooting and supposedly has some PC tuning? I also have a 686 Competitor that is a PC gun. And I most recently acquired a 6 inch 952 Masterpiece and a 6 inch PPC9. Both great shooters and I wish I could find a 5 inch 952 for a decent price to complete my PPC PC stable.
 
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Ha, it reads a little funny when you are patiently waiting for a decent price on a 5-inch 952 when you've revealed that you have both the 6-inch guns in 952 and PPC-9! (because those cost a mint!)

And would it be bad to point out that there are two versions of the 5-inch PPC-9? There's the more common long dust cover and the seemingly more rare short/square slide. The muzzle end looks just like the aforementioned SD-9/40/356 pistols.

You've got some KILLER pistols!
 
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